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Vox Pop - Nov 29

Posted: November 28, 2011 - 9:28pm

Skeptics
Only skeptics who like to be wrong go with the Republican line they get from oil companies that denies man is causing climate change. Do they think that tens of thousands of their old classmates that became physicists and chemists have an ulterior motive beyond making their science work? Isn’t it more likely that the same filthy rich, dirty fuelers who own the media and the conservative election campaigns are also spreading the deny lies? The skeptics should be skeptical of both sides, Especially when 97 percent of the world’s climate scientists attest to the human cause of climate change.

Did I miss something?
So let me get this straight. Taylor Stevenson makes threats at a meeting and then he can’t seem to remember those comments until he finds out that someone has recorded him apologizing for those threats which he then says were inappropriate comments and when he finds out that no charges will be filed, he says he wants the end of the “political attacks” against him? Of course he’s the victim, or did I miss something?

They should be ashamed
There was a squabble at a meeting of the human rights commission. One person, in a moment of frustration, may or may have not said something that could, if stretched beyond the breaking point, be taken as a threat. The supposed threat would actually be from other people. Then there’s a call for the county attorney to investigate? What a colossal waste of time and money. Those calling for the investigation are certainly exasperating. It seems like their motive was to cause trouble. They’re gaming the system for their personal, selfish and twisted motives and should be ashamed.

Let them try and run a business
What next? Are employees in the Brainerd lakes area going to protest
working on Memorial Day or July Fourth because “those are family days, how dare my employer expect me to work?” When did businesses lose the ability to make their own decisions without their employees permission and (gasp!) actually tell their employees when they need to work? I can hear it already “Save the Fireworks.” Of course, I understand we may not have fireworks next summer since there is no money for them. Oh, but aren’t the businesses supposed to pay for that too with all the money they are making forcing those poor employees to work on a holiday? Let them try and run a business!

Thanksgiving?
Let’s reflect on our thankfulness over the holiday. Did we say a prayer thanking God for all our blessings before our feast and mean it? Did we put too much emphasis on Black Friday and all its frenzied craziness? Our health and safety are far more important than material things. Were we courteous instead of rushing to the check-out ahead of others? For many people the answer is no. Let’s remember that we are all equal and we need to get back to the meaning of Thanksgiving — gratitude, sharing, compassion for the less fortunate. That’s the American basis for living.

Unfair
I’m all for the county board reducing their contribution to the Brainerd Library. It is a fact that people in Emily and Fifty Lakes pay the same amount as people in Brainerd but most are not going to drive that far to use it. It is a city library that over the years managed to get laws passed to make everybody in the county pay for a city library. Please reduce the county’s contribution.

Do your job
This is in response to the “Why me” attitude. The caller just didn’t get it. It’s not about paying your fair share of taxes. It’s about doing your job. I had to do my job before I retired and I expect taxpayers to get their money’s worth. It’s nothing to do about paying more taxes or anything else. I was required to do my job well and I did and I require that of everybody else that has a job.

Offensive lines helped
Congratulations to the all-area and top 15 football players. I’d like to say congratulations to all the offensive lines who’s hard work helped make those successes and stats possible.

Property tax question
I got my proposed property tax for 2012 in the mail. I’m looking it over and I see my house has dropped in value another $20,000 and yet my bill has only dropped $23. Does that make any sense to anyone? How is it that the city of Brainerd has the gall to sit there and raise property taxes $40 for the year. Everyone’s losing money on our houses and value and stuff. Who wrote this whole thing up? A bunch of monkeys?

White House, not Wall Street
Concerning the Wall Street squatters, they are in the wrong spot. They should be in front of the White House demonstrating because there’s where the money is. They’ve made millions on Wall Street. They get all the inside information and that’s where they should be. And to the ones who fed them their Thanksgiving dinner, I wonder if they fed any of the homeless people Thanksgiving dinner?

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RichRule peasantsdrool
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RichRule peasantsdrool 11/29/11 - 10:57 am
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Is someone asleep at the newspaper?

This voxpop is a repeat form November 20. Is this what you call professionalism???

Denton Newman Jr
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Denton Newman Jr 11/29/11 - 11:07 am
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Is someone asleep at the newspaper?

Thanks RRpd for catching this.

We switched over to a new editorial document system called ContentWatch last night and this VoxPop was mistakenly added to the system.

I'll add the correct one to the website in a couple minutes.

Denton Newman Jr
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Denton Newman Jr 11/29/11 - 11:20 am
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Current VoxPop loaded

I've replaced the dated content with the VoxPop submissions that were meant to be published today - enjoy!

fishhead
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fishhead 11/29/11 - 10:24 pm
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That is funny that the

That is funny that the denialists claim that the 98% of climatologists who believe we are responsible for climate change are motivated by profit and as proof parrot the talking points of the oil industry writers. Like I said before some people think ignorance is a badge of honor that should be displayed at every opportunity.

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rubbyk 11/30/11 - 08:49 am
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show me

I would like to see a link to prove your claim that 98% of climatologist believe that we are responsible. You want truth, why don't you ask these climatologist the real reason and quit watching MSNBS.
MSNBS would never lie, would they???
GE owns MSNBS and GE has nothing to gain from the GW scam do they.

lakelander
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lakelander 11/30/11 - 09:14 am
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climate change

At least we have the power to change the progression to a meltdown, if we change our habits.

wolfg1
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wolfg1 11/30/11 - 09:18 am
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I would like to see a link

I would like to see a link showing where FOX news has tried to debunk "climate change" recently, or even in the past few years.

rolflindy
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rolflindy 11/30/11 - 09:31 am
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Fox News February 11, 2010

Yesterday Fox News pounded the final nail into the coffin of global warming.

"Sixty-three percent of the country is now covered in snow. And it's breaking Al Gore's heart because the snow is also burying his global warming theory," a gleeful Fox News anchor proclaimed.

That's right. It snowed in February in Washington, DC.

"I don't think it takes genius to to see through the no-snow-is-global warming claim," proclaimed Glenn Beck.

Republican politician Sen. James Imhofe seconded that claim.

"The global warming hearing that Barbara Boxer was going to have tomorrow has now been canceled because of the blizzard," Imhofe told Fox News.

"It's almost too easy," chuckled and boasted the Fox News anchor upon learning that the global warming hearing had been canceled because of snow - actual snow.

Not to be left out in the cold, Sean Hannity said, "It's one of the most severe winter storms in years, which would seem to contradict Al Gore's hysterical global warming theories."

Continue reading on Examiner.com Fox News exposes global warming hoax - National Cable news | Examiner.com http://www.examiner.com/cable-news-in-national/fox-news-exposes-global-w...

fishhead
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fishhead 11/30/11 - 09:37 am
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Anyone want to bet that wolfy

Anyone want to bet that wolfy and rubby will ignore the links and repeat their request at some point in the near future?

rolflindy
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rolflindy 11/30/11 - 10:14 am
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global warming science: partly solid; partly complicated

I did a lot of research for teaching an 8 week class on global warming for the U of MN adult ed program. I ended up more confused than ever.
The science of how GHGs(gases whose molecules have at least 3 atoms which vibrate assymetrically) warm the atmosphere is well understood. Adding more GHGs, which we humans do, should make us warmer.
But we are not warming as fast as the theory suggests. There are other factors that are hard to compute. Burning coal adds GHGs, but it also puts particles in the stratosphere which cool the earth. There is so much CO2 in the atmosphere that new CO2 may not be doing much. The ocean is absorbing GHGs. More CO2 makes more plants grow, absorbing more CO2. etc, etc, etc.
GW is not a hoax; but it is still not fully understood.
REW

wolfg1
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wolfg1 11/30/11 - 10:24 am
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Thanks Rolf. I know they had

Thanks Rolf. I know they had babbled about "climate change" (remember the name was changed to include all possible outcomes), and your link is from 2 years ago. Scary makes it sound like it's a daily thing. BTW, I don't watch FOX very often.

RichRule peasantsdrool
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RichRule peasantsdrool 11/30/11 - 11:12 am
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rolf, I've heard

from different people that the whole global warming thing is a hoax perpetuated by the current administration to increase the "green" jobs, such as Solyndra. H. L. Menken said
"The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary."

Whether that is true or not, I don't really have an opinion. But what I understand is that CO2 is a beneficial trace gas that exists in small quantities in our atmosphere. CO2 comprises less than half of 0.1% of our atmosphere, and only 4% of it comes from human activity. So if this is true, is global warming a hoax or a fact, and do the majority of scientists agree on one thought or another?

rolflindy
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rolflindy 11/30/11 - 11:40 am
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For RichRule

All the GHGs combined are less than 1% of the atmosphere, except for water vapor which can be near zero up to a few percent. But they have a big effect. Without them the earth would average zero fahrenheit instead of 59.
The global warming issue long predates the current administration and it is not a hoax. But as I said before it is not a clearly understood science because of all the variables.
If the administration thinks pushing green energy creates jobs, they are mistaken. You lose more jobs from higher energy costs than you gain with people cleaning solar panels.
Spain is a big spender on green energy, and they have the highest unemployment in Europe.
Rolf

rolflindy
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rolflindy 11/30/11 - 11:55 am
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Asymmetric - fixing the spelling

Nitrogen and oxygen are about 98% of the atmosphere. They are two atom molecules which vibrate uniformly. They do not absorb the earth's infrared(IR), and so they are not GHGs. When a molecule has 3 or more different atoms like CO2, CH4, H2O, etc, the vibrations are not uniform(asymmetric). That's one thing needed for them to react to the IR, rotate faster, and warm up things.
The above is a summary of 62 pages in an Atmospheric Chemistry text. No charge today.
Rolf

JohnBrown
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JohnBrown 11/30/11 - 12:19 pm
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@scaryphailin

You don't even know what your links state. People like you embolden anthropogenic climate change deniers.

But the whole "faux news" thing is fresh and cute, so please keep doing that.

rubbyk
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rubbyk 12/01/11 - 07:58 am
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I dont think climate change

I dont think climate change or GW(whatever you want to call it) is a hoax, I believe it is a fact. What I think is a hoax is the we humans are the cause of it when we have had CC or GW periods in the past before us humans came along. I believe we may be a small % of the reason but what are we suppose to do kill off half the population of the world. What is going to happen with climate is going to happen sooner or later and there is nothing we can do about it, mother nature is a very powerful beast. The hoax of GW is the billions being made from it.

fishhead
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fishhead 12/01/11 - 08:08 am
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From what I've read the ocean

From what I've read the ocean is starting to lose it's ability to sequester CO2. The pH of the ocean is getting measurably more acidic because CO2 in water forms carbonic acid. That is having profound effects on the food web of the ocean and causing corals to die and along with them go the rest of the food chain they support.

A long term study off the coast of California by the Scripps Institute showed the the upwelling that the kelp forests depend on is slowing and causing major reductions in primary productivity in that area of the ocean. I read about that clear back in the 80's and there's no reason to think it's gotten any better.

Shore version. We're trashing the only home we have and stealing from future generations.

fishhead
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fishhead 12/01/11 - 11:08 am
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correction rubby

"The hoax of GW is the billions being made from it."

This should actually read 'The hoax of GW denial is the billions being made from it.' The oil companies are making out like bandits by stalling action on climate change. We will all pay a heavy price for the delay in terms of lives lost and treasure spent.

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