If our Legislators could guarantee the price on everything else would remain the same, it would be a good deal for people in minimum wage jobs (which were not intended to support a family) to get a raise.
Fact is if minimum wage increases,the cost of all services/goods go up, other wage earners making more than minimum will not get a increase as the cost of services/goods increase, so who is benefiting?
Very subtle attack on wage earners purchasing power,think gas is high now?
Doug Kern
Brainerd
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Add commentI agree that minimum wage
I agree that minimum wage jobs weren't INTENDED to support a family, but it's a sad reality that in many cases they have to now.
There is a reason it's called minimum wage. It is for
those that screwed around in school, or skipped altogether, so they could have fun. Now they want everyone to feel pity for them and pay them more than they are worth.
The fact is...
...the true minimum wage is zero, and there will be more people earning zero if they increase the minimum wage, because although you can force a business to pay a minimum wage, you can't force them to hire people who are not worth that wage. Minimum wage hurts those who need a job most (IOWs, those who are just starting out in the business world).
And minimum wages...
...help union members way more than they help minimum wage earners, because their wages are often tied to minimum wages and are automatically increased when minimum wages are increased.
It really just helps unions
I'm always surprised that the union point is not brought up more often. People don't understand the connection between some union jobs and minimum wage.
Ward and Joe Radinovich
know it well.
Here's the thing: Unions
Here's the thing: Unions fight for workers. They think an honest day's work should deserve an honest day's wages, and that means wages that a worker can live on. I don't think that's too much to ask. If the minimum wage doesn't allow an individual to live independently, you know who is going to cover the difference. We are.... with food stamps,. health care, subsidized housing, etc. How could any of you want that?
I once knew a big union
operator in the 49rs. He worked 6 months a year and fished and played all winter and collected food stamps. Union thugs are moochers that suck the blood out of the rest of us.
I call B.S.!!!
"And minimum wages help union members way more than they help minimum wage earners, because their wages are often tied to minimum wages and are automatically increased when minimum wages are increased."
I call B.S.!!!
Show us that you didn't just make up that B.S.!!!
Try this out, fool.
It does not take long to find out that this is indeed a truthful statement and union officials, like Clark Brown of the SEIU have freely admitted this. On February 24th, 2011 People’s World ran a story quoting Mr. Brown saying that when the minimum wage goes up, it “drives up our union contract wages.”
Scary - look it up
Base point is what many unions use to determine what their wages should be. The base point is minimum wage so, when that goes up so does the union wage.
This also gives more money to the government through increased taxes from the actual minimum wage earners and the increase in union wages.
I say the federal government is the only one that comes out on a raise in minimum raise. More taxes coming in.
Might not be a good time for a wage hike, but
It's been way too long since we've had one. MN's min. wage jobs are not competitive and we all pay the price when it's too low, with fewer people paying taxes the state gets to keep, more on welfare, inability to attract decent entry level workers, etc.
Like tax increases, it's not a good time to consider either during poor economic times.
But when one party resists EVERY tax increase proposal and Min. wage hike proposal--even in boom times--you end up doing both in bad times.
Okay, Crazy Failin'...
...I'll help you this one time, but don't expect me to do all your homework for you, you lazy bum! ;)
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142412788732404890457831854100042245...
Bottom of the barrell
http://www.dol.gov/whd/minwage/america.htm
Minnesota has one of the lowest minimum wage laws in the country at $6.15 standard wage. Only Georgia and Wyoming are lower, besides states with no minimum wage requirements.
MN minimum wage results-FYI
Minimum wage in MN affects 93,000 earners.
72% are part-time workers
1/2 of these are eating and drinking establishments and
1/2 of these receive tips.
81% are unmarried
The people that gain are young workers in restaurants
like McD, BKing, Wendy's.
Sadie
Young workers - that also spend a lot of their money on stuff around town, and not so much on interest rates, out of state energy companies, and other bills that don't really benefit local economies.
When I was at the "minimum wage age" I spent my money on music equipment from local music stores, stuff from the mall, and eating out at restaurants.
It's kinda weird how giving more money to the young people who don't need it might actually help local economies instead of giving the money to people who really need it.
I guess I'm not saying the minimum wage increase will help/hurt, we would just have to wait and see. Either way, I wont see an increase with a higher minimum wage. It'll be years until I see a raise of any sort anyway.
Also more money for college, less reason to move to bigger city
Quite a few benefits to a bit higher minimum wage, and they do ripple through a community. As well as keep good local kids in the area more often, rather than the mass exodus to better pay in bigger cities.
Competitiveness for the business is an issue if the wage is high, but MN's was so low in comparison with other states that it was getting ridiculous. I think it was last raised in 2005 and that wasn't much.
This won't help small businesses but again, this is the type of thing we could maybe avoid completely during this economy if past legislatures--mostly republicans--and governors would have been amenable to a small increase here and there. When no increase is supported for years eventually you hit a point where it's inevitable...and that point may not be a good time to hit employers with added cost.
Would be much better if the wage could be tied to some inflation/cost index, so it never rises in a bad economy and rises comensurate with the average in the economy when times are good.
And Sadie--I lose track of this but I think workers who earn tips have a bit different wage schedule much of the time, specified in law. Big employers have a higher minimum than small, and young kids may have an even lower starting wage.
tip earners
"I lose track of this but I think workers who earn tips have a bit different wage schedule much of the time, specified in law"
In Minnesota they do, along with a few other states. The way I understand it is that most states take on the federal minimum wage with no restrictions or company size requirements. That rate can change from year to year depending on cost of living increases/decreases. (If I'm incorrect on any of this, please correct me.)
There are four states that are currently under the federal minimum wage.
Georgia
Arkansas
Wyoming
Minnesota
But I kind of like the tip earner's special min wage. I think it's a good idea to help the smaller businesses (local bars/restaurants) pay their employees and still be able to stay afloat. Meanwhile, the better employee you are, the more money you could make (better tips).
It's such a complicated system and I don't think we'll know exactly how it'll affect our state and communities until it's been done.
Here is something to think about.
In 1964, Minimum wage was 5 silver quarters per hour.
Today those 5 silver quarters have a melting worth of $5.18 each or $25.90 per hour.
Today, the average worker in Brainerd/Baxter is earning from $8 to $12 per hour. Now add in the extra taxes from the fiscal cliff, Obamacare, fuel prices and all other taxes that have gone through the roof and you will notice that this cannot hold up for much longer. If the minimum wage increases, that doesn't mean that those earning 8 to 12 will get a raise, it just means they will get taxed more. Thus making them poorer.
We don't need to fix the minimum wage, we need to fix the money supply.
Vote for those who want to end the strangle hold on the American people by the Federal Reserve (which is a privately owned multinational bank) first by inflation then by deflation. Don't vote for those who want to continue their destruction of the American people by not publicly naming the the Federal Reserve as the culprits behind the whole mess.
http://www.coinflation.com/unitedstates/
Mav
You should run for office!!!
Lost all my 64 & older in house fire. Never found a trace of it. I sure wish I had a few hundred gold eagle's though.
I have
a very good metal detector. let me go get em! I'll make a deal with ya! It's still there, probably all melted into a nice neat ball just waiting to be cashed in.
Good luck
If anything the fire dept might of claimed something cause they was mad at all the ammo I had. You should have seen their eyes when I told'em my 44 was loaded. It blew the cylinder apart. Besides over 25 yrs ago & dont own prop anymore.
Ya know,
I'm sick and tired of all these candy [filtered word] thumbs downers who just thumb down a post rather than posting WHY they thumbed it down. What are you 12? Give me a reason WHY you thumb stuff down, don't just thumb everything down. Grow up a little bit or grow a pair even better!
For some reason, I have 3 thumbs down on my post about how real money works and how they are controlling it and by extension, controlling YOU! If you have a better idea, write it down, I won't thumbs down you but I will listen to what you have to say. Heck, pm me I don't care, I've got nothing to hide.
First of all
I have personal experience in the restaurant "tip" world. Believe me everyone that earns tips in restaurants don't claim all their money so you never know how much they are truly making! Second thing that some of you aren't quite getting is that if the minimum wage goes up a lot of these small business won't hire new help or will cut back on employees they cannot afford! If you think $6.15 is bad try $0 and see how you like that! Mav I agree with you on the cowards and don't trust a government that claims it can print as much money as it needs pretty sick when they want to inflate the prices for us!
mav ... I gave you a red
mav ... I gave you a red thumb for complaining about red thumbs =)
Tip earners generally earn
Tip earners generally earn "waitress minimum" which is below the regular minimum wage. And there is a requirement to report tips. Some employers do this by simply declaring 15% of a wait staff's total food sales as tip income. This is whether they make that or not. I put myself through college waiting tables and I can tell you that there were times when I paid taxes on money I didn't earn from patrons who don't tip. Worse yet, I've seen patrons pick up tips off other tables and pocket them as well! So for every wait staff who has a day where they under-declare based on food sales, there is also a day where they over-declare. It all comes out in the wash.
Keep that in mind when tipping at a restaurant. 15% is customary for good service for breakfast and lunch. 20% for good service is appropriate for dinner. And your waiter or waitress will have to pay tax on that amount whether you leave that much or not. Additionally, many wait staff are also required to tip out a bartender, barback, hostess, and/or kitchen staff, so they give away about 20% of what they made in tips before they leave for the day.
It's an OK way to make a living. It's hard work, hard on the body, and waitstaff often deal with cranky, hungry, sometimes obnoxious folks, and clean up the sticky mess your kids leave behind, but it's an honest job. Good waitstaff keep people coming back to a restaurant. But it certainly isn't a way to get rich....that's for sure.