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Sick, sick nation

Posted: December 16, 2012 - 9:44pm

In the aftermath of the school shooting in Connecticut Friday one thing comes front and center. This is a sick and misdirected country. This isn’t the first time this has happened and sadly it’s not the last time it will happen. We are reaping what we are sowing and there is more reaping to come America and you can count on it.

Until the day comes that we quit teaching our children that violence and guns is fun and games, there will be more incidents. I listened to a shrink today, on television saying we need to rebuild our mental health system and I couldn’t help thinking that’s like injecting people with a disease and them building a hospital to treat them at. This kind of violence is learned for many from an early age. We have laws in place that protect the rights of people who peddle this trash to poison our children minds and turn them into maniacal killers.

Think of the children who lived and witnessed this carnage. Think of the police and fire that had to work this scene. But lastly think of the parents who lost their child and then tell us about your rights to print and video this crap and peddle it to our children. There is no such thing as a born killer. It’s a learned behavior and we are doing our best to teach it.

What’s left now? Bury our dead and listen to all of the experts tell us what went wrong. There will be million dollar investigations as to why this happened, when we all know why it happened but no one has the guts to say it, because at least for now it’s legal.

Mike Holst

Crosslake

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stevebusch
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stevebusch 12/17/12 - 08:11 am
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Social engineers got dad out

Social engineers got dad out of the family with wellfare checks and God out of the public realm with seperation of church and state gibberish. The most pro-abortion political system twister is put in the white house and we wonder what has gone wrong in America. Doh!

captron
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captron 12/17/12 - 09:48 am
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Conservative Wizards address more Faux News solutions

1)" If we had not taken God out of the schools this would not have even taken place"( Mike Huckster former AR Gov.)

2) " obviously the law enforcement folks didnt do their jobs"

3 ) " School security needs to be beefed up , training should be provided as well as multiple armed guards @ all 150,000 schools around the country , and since NYC policemen retire after only 20 years , there is our security force" ( Former Bush homeland Security master)

4 ) My favorite from W. Krystal -Wkly Std. " Well I guess we need to look at the bigger picture here , for starters I think the Govs office and both houses in CT are held by Democrats , so they have created their own problems ?

Now thats all pretty sick....

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lendad 12/17/12 - 09:55 am
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I got really upset last night ...

... when I was channel surfing and stopped for a moment on Huckabee's show, long enough to hear him pitch an upcoming segment with Alan "dirtball" Dershowitz discussing how the Newtown shooter would have been defended in court if he had lived !! I hope Fox fires this guy.

mav7770
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mav7770 12/17/12 - 11:02 am
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When I grew up in the cities,

When I grew up in the cities, on a day like today, we would walk to the park with our hockey skates hanging on our hockey stick over our shoulder. We walked roughly 10 blocks to get there and we would stay til after dark. The whole neighborhood would be there, and on occasion a few Minnesota North Stars as well.

Today, when I drive by the hockey rinks, nobody is there. It is empty.

captron
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captron 12/17/12 - 12:12 pm
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When I got up today I was Overtaken by Fear of Idiot Gun Owners

As well as the HUGE fiscal deficit that snuck up on all of us so suddenly and the GIANT impact that mess will have on my childrens childrens children , then suddenly I had a GREAT idea. *****

Gun registration . like boat registration with a fiscal twist.

Keeping that all important " States Rights " concept in focus.

Immeadiately start re- registering 100% of all firearms in the USA.

The fee collected for the 3 year registration period per firearm , could be split up between the Feds , the State , and either the County or City.

For example start with a $ 40 per handgun & $30 per long gun-rifle/shotgun as an intro offer.

When started with the new ammo tax , we will have good records of yahoos hoarding guns and ammo . Its the only way to sort out the " Sportsmen " from the whackos

With 300 million firearms already sitting around the USA @ about thirty five bucks each , well you can see the merits of the program !

Quick call your Congressman & other elected officials and tell them " Im on board with the " Gun User" fee as a another solution to help address the fiscal cliff looming on our horizon.

mav7770
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mav7770 12/17/12 - 11:21 am
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This is one of the movies our kids are watching

It doesn't take a psychologist to notice that our kids are being desensitized to mass murder.

http://www.ebaumsworld.com/video/watch/82967150/

Fair n Balanced
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Fair n Balanced 12/17/12 - 11:40 am
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Lil' Cappy,

that will be OK as long as they also tax every non-gun owner $50 per day for the police protection that can't protect them, also.

sadiemarriedlady
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sadiemarriedlady 12/17/12 - 11:56 am
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Problem solved

That explains Captron writings, he is overtaken by fear.

mav7770
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mav7770 12/17/12 - 12:29 pm
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This is one of the video games our kids are playing

Hour by hour day after day month after month, they are playing these games and congratulating themselves over their kills.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fk7iWwMZykM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ee7xxCgAkf0

You will notice that they are sub-consciously taught how each weapon is used. And you will also notice that they salivate over the points they receive for their kills.

Veteran68
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Veteran68 12/17/12 - 12:25 pm
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Captron Wake Up!!!

Captron calling people idiot gunowners isnt solving anything. I am a disabled veteran, and because of my disability, I hate to be around guns and I hate violence. But making people pay a fee for a given right to own a gun is outrageous. There are people in this world that have lost touch with reality and kill people with guns and other weapons and thats a shame, however because of those few you shouldnt tax them or make them pay a fee for using their right to own a firearm. Bad things happen accept that fact and move on. Some tragedies cant be avoided pure and simple. Stop making political issues over tragedies. People who use tragedies to further a political agenda are very sick individuals. I am guessing captron is a liberal like Barrack Obama, wanting to tax and put fees on people at a whim. Wake up this is America we have rights, if you dont like it then leave, no one stopping you from staying here.

sadiemarriedlady
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sadiemarriedlady 12/17/12 - 12:22 pm
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If we were as obsessed

as Cap, we would post all the idiotic things said on MSNBC and CNN.

Lifelongresident
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Lifelongresident 12/17/12 - 12:28 pm
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Captron,

have you ever read the 10th Amendment?

Veteran68
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Veteran68 12/17/12 - 12:30 pm
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Captron's tunnel vision

captron likes to bash Fox News Channel, yet what other news channels has given any information about the death of 4 American citizens including an Ambassador? I havent heard anything from NBC/ MSNBC, CNN, CBS, or ABC. Stop being so high and mighty captron and actually be objective and stop being a liberal who is always right and cant see things as they are. BE OBJECTIVE for once in your life!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

mav7770
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mav7770 12/17/12 - 12:33 pm
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If you play long enough,

You could win a MILLION dollars.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y5rpElFx4zI

I say it's time to spank the parents!

captron
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captron 12/17/12 - 12:39 pm
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Hey Veteran , Not all Gun Owners are idiots- Wake Up

We register cars ,boats ,motorcycles , canoes ,ATVs ,Sleds ......

At least that is what is commonly accepted.

Look around the WORLD at how bad the problem is in this country.

Keep your mind on what the gun problem is ,***** Not your individual problem(s) .******

Maybe a good mailing list of Remington rifle owners would save a few lives.

You could notify those thousands of owners their weapons discharge when bumped with the safety on , bad trigger mech. has killed & wounded way too many . Manf. wont even admit its an isssue , why is that ?

Veteran68
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Veteran68 12/17/12 - 12:56 pm
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I never said gun owners are idiots

You said you had a fear about idiot gun owners. We dont live in a nanny state if people want information on guns go to a gun dealer or the manufacturers web site. Have manufacturers send any changes or updates to gun dealers. If people need any information get it from them. Please dont presume you know me and my disability and problems. My disability is my own, i dont push it off on anyone. I dont like guns, but i also do not say people should not own guns. this is America last i checked, and people should own guns if they want without having others trying to put fees on that. As far as your argument goes about putting license on boats, cars, and etc... Last I checked I didnt see any Ammendment about the god given right to own a car, boat and etc..

Fair n Balanced
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Fair n Balanced 12/17/12 - 12:57 pm
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And doctors

kill more people through malpractice every year than all car accidents and guns combined. I suppose we should ban them also? Lil' Cappy, try a new subject somewhere else.

muehlbau
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muehlbau 12/17/12 - 01:18 pm
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Every single gun used in the Newtown shooting was REGISTERED...

...it did NOTHING to prevent the tragedy. Leave it to Captron to take a tragedy of this magnitude as an excuse for raising taxes.

OldFarmBoy
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OldFarmBoy 12/17/12 - 01:43 pm
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Sounds like cappy

Has a job from ricky nolan in Jan?? TAX TAX TAX!!!

Lifelongresident
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Lifelongresident 12/17/12 - 01:45 pm
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So really Captron,

deep down inside you don't want to really tax gun ownership, you just want to ban it outright.

dutchman7
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dutchman7 12/17/12 - 02:15 pm
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Madison never meant Second Amendment ...

to allow guns of Sandy Hook shooting...

Adam Lanza's shooting rampage at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Conn. renews debate over gun control. A close look shows that James Madison conceived the Second Amendment in a different time, under different circumstances, with different weapons.

http://www.csmonitor.com/Commentary/Opinion/2012/1217/Madison-never-mean...

sadiemarriedlady
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sadiemarriedlady 12/17/12 - 02:26 pm
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Mav

I agree with you on the movies and video games.
Parents seem to let their kids watch the movies and play
the video games at such an early age.
The mental health laws/profession has ( thanks to ACLU)
bent too far in favor of the rights of the mentally ill. The rights
went from all being locked up to very hard to get help if the
person doesn't give their approval.

There are parents now who are thinking "could my kid do this"
and don't know what to do about it. The police can't do anything untill the kid does something to hurt someone or himself. I'm not sure that CT even has that law.
It's not just one thing, but many things that have gone haywire.

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tpooh51 12/17/12 - 02:39 pm
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The gift of the sick left....

Now that we've had another horrific occurrence of mass murder, the elitist mouth-pieces on the left coast once again weigh in with their usual mantra.....”Guns Kill - Ban Guns!” How ironic when the psychological community warns us of the dangers of feeding hundreds of hours a month of interactive video games to the masses. “Masses” which always include a share of viewers who are unable to process them as fictional; as “entertainment.” Video games featuring macabre scenes of mass murder highlighted by bright red and gory be-headings and bodies brutalized by various high-powered weapons assaults. Blood squirting everywhere and shooters in camo garb high-fiving each other for the quality of their kills!

You wonder why some young people watch this and decide to make their mark in the world by taking this “action” and terrible vengeance to the streets of their local community?

Here's my question for the left - from the very place where most of these videos are produced. What kind of sick and deranged minds come up with these forms of interactive “entertainment?” What kind of illustrators sit down at a desk and draw out horrible scenes of people rushing around a city killing innocent victims on the streets? Or what kind of sick mind visualizes an actor storming some building and killing dozens of the “enemy” aggressors by blowing their heads off or spraying their guts all over a factory floor?

Why don't these producers of such filth and violence think about what they are spreading around the world by their own vocations? Why don't they look in the mirror at the real culprits in this spread of mass violence into our communities. They can't do that, because reality might hit them that the real problem is there on the left coast and to solve it would cost them money.....

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pdnet15 12/17/12 - 02:52 pm
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This is not a gun control argument, but one about our society,

and as far as I am concerned, lies at the feet of liberals, dems, and Obama. With Obama injecting the idea of everything free; and liberals and their Occupy Wall Street mentality of blame everyone and destroy everything; and dems trying to destroy any kind of conservatism, what do you expect. Our country has become akin to a wild teenager with no boundaries, and worse than a crack addict. We have desensitized our nation to violence through movies and games, and the internet has only added to our woes. For every line crossed and every boundary broken; we find ourselves headed for complete chaos!

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DiscipleofSin 12/17/12 - 02:56 pm
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video games? really!?! video

video games? really!?! video games are as responsible as the guns are. Some of you are so effing obtuse.

it's not your Mom's fault, it's not the Presidents fault. Personal responsibility has been removed from society ... everyone is special, noone is evil, let's blame an inanimate object. That way we can avoid actually taking our own blame.

If I shoot someone ... I shoot someone, not the gun and certainly not a video game.

pdnet15
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pdnet15 12/17/12 - 03:14 pm
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I wonder how many people who are screaming gun control

are also advocating the guy who killed those teenagers in Little Falls as innocent! And Disciple, yes, the President does have some blame. He is the one who started class warfare and a major division in this country. Divide and conquer two economical groups while bolstering another; sound familiar?

Lifelongresident
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Lifelongresident 12/17/12 - 03:40 pm
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Dutchman

You are correct and the 1st Amendment was never written to protect pornography, the terrible violence in movies, etc. etc. etc. but are you going to legislate everything? I'm a gun owner but I don't have a single semi-automatic weapon and I'm not in favor of the multi-shot clips that those type of guns have. I have seen the left operate for far to many years and I know how it will go. We ban semi-automatic weapons then another horrible act of violence will take place with a revolver or shotgun and the cry will be to ban those.

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Bubba Yumbo 12/17/12 - 03:45 pm
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Absolutely agree, Tphoo51 and Purposed, that violent

"entertainment" (video games, movies ...) contributes to the overall problem of violence in society. Is the violence mimicking the "entertainment", or is the "entertainment" holding a mirror to our violent culture? Probably some of both. Also, while I think guns are perfectly acceptable for sport/hunting, there is plenty of evidence that guns don't keep our households safer.

"Having a gun in your home significantly increases your risk of death — and that of your spouse and children.

And it doesn’t matter how the guns are stored or what type or how many guns you own.

If you have a gun, everybody in your home is more likely than your non-gun-owning neighbors and their families to die in a gun-related accident, suicide or homicide.

Furthermore, there is no credible evidence that having a gun in your house reduces your risk of being a victim of a crime. Nor does it reduce your risk of being injured during a home break-in.

The health risks of owning a gun are so established and scientifically non-controvertible that the American Academy of Pediatrics issued a policy statement in 2000 recommending that pediatricians urge parents to remove all guns from their homes." (from: http://www.minnpost.com/second-opinion/2012/12/health-risk-having-gun-home)

I cringe at the fact that American kids get murdered with guns at a rate that's 13 times higher than that of other developed nations. ( and for kids 15 to 24, the rate is 43 times higher.) I'm sure these statistics are unacceptable to all of us. We just need to have a national dialogue (not a shouting match, with blinders on both sides' participants) regarding what to do about it.

Muehlbau -- you're correct that Mrs. Lanza owned legally- registered weapons. Some folks are suggesting, however, that had the assault weapons ban (which expired 8 years ago) still been in place, she might not have been able to purchase the Bushmaster AR 15 that her son used to murder the Newtown children.

DiscipleofSin
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DiscipleofSin 12/17/12 - 04:11 pm
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the problem is, is you guys

the problem is, is you guys have it backwards. Mental illness aside (I have yet to hear of an autistic video game player killing people ... but I haven't researched that either), violent people surround themselves with violent things (video games, movies, etc.) Violent things do not make people violent. There are NO conclusive studies that prove video games cause ANY sort of violence (there have been some articles but most are widely discredited).

Please don't get me wrong, a lot of what Hollywood puts out has little to no redeeming qualities, but it is not to blame. Bad parenting or other mental issues? a much higher probablity, don't ya think?

lou
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lou 12/17/12 - 06:35 pm
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Remember the words,

Remember the words, There is something wrong with the world today..... I feel that everyone is so busy in there own world that they don't pay attention to what is going on around then. I have been around guns my whole life, always locked away. Never was my child allowed access,they were taught gun safty from as little as one year old.We had 7 to 9 round clips, if you can't get supper with that many shoots you have a problem. What would a person needs a semi auto gun for? If this shooter had mental problems, why did the mother have these guns in her home(personal responsibility),why did this person have access to them, one more time I will say this, guns don't kill, the person behind the gun does. With the state hospitals closed where does one take a family member that has mental problems.We have to hold ourselves accountable. We have to stop the violence.

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