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Where are we in America?

Posted: July 3, 2012 - 8:28pm

Where are we at in America? I believe it comes down to this, what worked for over 200 years or the new America of the last say 30 or 40 years...

In general terms and majority view point most people believed in personal responsibility for all their actions and behaviors, believed in hard work, believed they know best how to spend their income and they should keep as much of their income as possible, they believed in God’s laws, they believed in as small a government as possible and that family, local government, organizations, churches and entrepreneurs should help out the less fortunate/down on their luck people within their community.

The new America in general terms and majority view point believe in, do what ever you want because we are all human, mistakes happen, so don’t worry we have big government programs that can help you out if things go wrong. No one needs to be held accountable; because it just isn’t fair, people who work hard, have strong values are just lucky and should pay more for us that have not been as lucky. Big government can and will take care of you if we can just have more of your money and create more programs/ sustain existing programs, everyone can be happier. In the end bigger government will create a more fair and equal America where no one needs to be envious of anyone else.

This fall will determine which America we want and remember it is mostly about power where do you want the power to reside?

Gregg Struss

Baxter, Mn.

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OkeyDokey
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OkeyDokey 07/05/12 - 10:16 am
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No, they don't want them to

No, they don't want them to have MORE rights, just the same rights. Heterosexuals have the right to marry whomever they choose and to make that choice based on who they love (pretty sure our culture has moved away from arranged marriages). Gays would like the right to marry who they choose based upon who they love. That's not more rights, that's equal rights.

So Muell, instead of allowing gay people the same rights by saying they have the ability to marry someone of the opposite sex, can you just say you believe in human rights for gays and you support their ability to marry someone PERIOD? Why do you get to pick the gender? What gives you that right?

By your criteria, marriage is to produce and raise children. Should infertile couples (or individuals) not be allowed to marry? Should all women past childbearing years have to get a divorce? Is every marriage going to be required to produce a child? Would you put those same restrictions on a heterosexual couple?

FYI, gay people can have biological children. Gay couples can adopt children unwanted by biological parents. Therefore, gay couples can meet your criteria of producing and raising children, and many of them do. So I guess that objection is overcome. Next?

eyolf
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eyolf 07/05/12 - 03:13 pm
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It seems like some just can't get enough of some topics

and won't move off of them. And sometimes politicians love to trot out these tired old horses to keep some of us occupied, hoping that maybe we won't notice when they aren't working on more pressing issues.

But there's an election coming. Lets hope we get enough new blood, legislators and leaders that don't want to waste time arguing about things that are unimportant. Face it: there just aren't enough gay people that want to marry (and rub our noses in it) to really matter. Most of the rest just want the same rights and expectations we have...not just to commit one's life to loving another, but I think even more importantly, to being accepted as a full member of society.

150 years ago, the Supreme Court affirmed a widely held idea that black slaves were not fully human and could never really be citizens. In time, we dropped that idea. I think we will, in time, drop the idea that gay people are "other" and that we can discriminate against them because we generally dislike them. Why not start now?

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muehlbau 07/05/12 - 06:36 pm
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JB is so enlightened, he thinks 2 + 2 equals five...

"Marriage is for pro-creation and gay couples can not have a loving family? You get married primarily to create the next generation? Hmm.... I guess loving another human being is not part of the equation?"

Clearly love is involved in marriage, but it is not its sole defining quality, if it were, you could marry your brother, or mother if you loved them. There is definitely more to marriage than romantic love, and the bogus idea that it's all about romantic love is one of the things that has led to our current high divorce rate and its related negative social consequences.

As for tax cuts being part of the stimulus, are you unaware that credits and deductions are very poor methods for stimulating the economy or changing behavior? Of course you didn't.

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JamesBond
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JamesBond 07/05/12 - 07:58 pm
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Is Muelbau from Tennessee?

Is Muelbau from Tennessee? Or, is it Kentucky?

She must be since she thinks that the love you have for a family member is the same as the love you feel for the one you want to marry.

At least Muelbau did not mention that other ridiculous conservative logic about marrying your dog or marrying multiple other people. Their logic, or lack thereof, is breathtaking.

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