The SOCIALIST U.S.A.
June 28, 2012 is a day that will live in infamy. It was a day that America
officially became a socialist nation. It was a day that marked the end of
freedom as we know it.
In ruling to uphold ObamaCare, the Supreme Court of the United States gave
the Federal Government unlimited power over our individual lives. As a
result, the quality of our healthcare and the freedom to choose our doctors
and hospitals has been stripped. This decision also sets the dangerous
precedent for future government take-overs of our lives. It, in addition,
serves to hinder our struggling economy.
This November, after seriously considering what this ruling truly represents
in a loss of our individual freedoms, take the only action we the people can
own, and vote for the candidate who promises to return The United States to
the free nation it was created to be!
Christine Olson
Deerwood
Comments (47)
Add commentObamacare is not socialism
Christine you do not know the meaning of "socialism" if you think the corporate giveaway to the pharmaceutical and insurance industries is "socialism". It was an idea from the Heritage Foundation, hardly a "socialist" organization. It was also what Mitt Romney brought to Massachusetts. Is Mitt Romney a "socialist" too?
So, if you are afraid of "socialism" and how it means the end of your freedom I expect that you will not take Medicare or Social Security or have someone go to a VA hospital. It will mean the end of your freedom, right?
No amount of facts or information will change your mind or many other conservatives', but you and they are incorrect in your portrayal of Obamacare as "socialism".
VA
Ummm those of us that go to the VA have earned that right, and as for the other programs you mentioned YES those are Socialist programs also, hence the name SOCIAL Security. It was put in place so that those who weren't responsible enough to save their own money for retirement could mooch off those who did. Of course we know that it is a failing system too. It won't make health care any more affordable the administration targeted the wrong people (the people) when he should have tried to regulate the pharmacies and hospitals to just make it more affordable to go the doctor.
Vote for Romney who created the template for Obamacare
with Romneycare in MA in 2006.
He was for the individual mandate before he was against it!
It is still Socialism
Whether you earned the benefits thru your service or you contributed via your PAYCHECK, it is still Socialism. BTW - the VA system is the truest form of socialism since the doctors and the nurses and the staff work for the government. You did know that, didn't you?
That just shows you do not understand the definition.
STFU? Now..now..now...you don't want people to disagree with you?
Thank you for sharing your opinion...
Just like other citizens of the United States of America...
The First Amendment endures...
Apparently I'm not a 'real American'
What a shock to me! I was born in MN, went to school here, married, had children, work and pay taxes, attend church, volunteer...........what a bummer I'm not a 'real American.'
pdnet - your tea party mentality really is not nice. I know it's been a tough week for you guys but really? I wonder what you attitude would have been if health care reform had been struck down? Let me guess - you'd be tormenting Democrats. I think we are being quite civil about this. Civility - it's in the dictionary. Try it some time.
p.s. and I know what sthfu means :(
Minnesnowda...You are a United States Citizen...
So are PdNet and Fair 'N Balanced...
Civil dialogue is one of the rights the United States Constitution grants us...First Amendment...Free Speech...
The United States of America will endure...
It's puzzling why cons want
It's puzzling why cons want to cling to a system that wastes up to 30% of our money on overhead and leaves many people without the coverage they thought they had when they signed up.
Do cons like to see our money wasted?
Our Socialist Country and new (?) taxes
First, I will say that I am a Republican not by choice, but by lack of choice! We should all understand that our government in it's present form is socialist. We have Social Security and Medicare for sure, but how many of us look at the many other benefits of our government that are in actuality socialist. Roads? Airports? Telephone systems? Public water supplies? Sewer systems? Boat launches? Public school systems? I assume that I could go on for a couple of pages worth of listing!
Which one of the 'benefits' would we like to do without? Shall we go back to throwing our feces out the window as we empty the chamber pot in the morning? Shall we then go back to the various diseases caused by this practice? If we were to list the huge number of these socialist services that we ALL WANT it would be mind boggeling. How many of these services do we not want? Maybe we don't want our military that lets us enjoy the freedoms that we have.
It has been said in an earlier comment, "all of us are now paying taxes to provide health care for those who can afford to purchase their own health care, but choose not to"! This is, in my opinion, untrue. Those who choose to not have healthcare although they can afford it, in the vast majority of cases, pay for their healthcare services when they get them rather than letting the rest of us pay.
Now we argue as to the cost of Obama Care. None of us at this point have any idea of the ACTUAL cost via taxation which is about to be levied on us. Will that taxation only be the taxation as defined by the Supreme Court in it's opinion? Or, will there be taxes imposed at many levels of our healthcare? Those of you who are in favor say that the cost will be minimal or even less than the present cost. Those on the other side argue that we will be taxed at a terrible rate. Neither side actually knows at this point in time.
What I do know is that during my working years I was FORCED to pay into a retirement and medical care system that had I been allowed to set aside the same amount of money (as input by both me and my employer) into an account chosen by me and administered in a manner of my choice I believe that I would be substantially better off. Now you must understand that this is my opinion and if I am incorrect then I feel that I should have suffered the consequences. But, remember, I had no choice. So, we are now at the brink of another "no choice" program. I hope, and in fact I pray that those who believe that this is the correct way to go are correct. If they are not, we are all in deep dodo!!
My apologies if I rambled, but with age maybe that is acceptable.
Well snow I would argue with you but it seems that my post was
deleted. Denton does that with people he doesn't like and then nitpicks over some obscure reason that he seems to forget with your kind. Since I cannot remember what I said, some of do work to pay for your benefits, all I can say is rubbish.
You mean the corporate give away to the insurance companies...
...known as Obamacare? Don't tell me you can't see that it's a huge bonanza to insurance companies (at least until Big Brother comes in and nationalizes them once and for all).
Also, I'd like to share a comment made by Obama in 2008, regarding a health insurance mandate with which I actually agree:
“If a mandate was the solution, we can try to solve homelessness by mandating everybody to buy a house.”
Barack Obama
pdnet - your post was mean and vile that's why it was deleted
Not because Denton does not like you.
If Denton did not like you -- you would have no points.
I still find it puzzling that the least civil poster has the most points. There should be some other measurement. There's another poster that lives here, he's probably up there, also, but since I blocked him.......well, that was worth doing! :)
Uh, tax cut?
Not quite Scary, the CBO is estimating the way the Supreme Court decision came down it's going to cost about $50 billion more per year.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/supreme-court-ruling-coul...
Add that expense to all the bankrupt green companies Obama funded with stimulus money and we're talking some real ching this President has and will cost us in the future.
strange comparisons
I believe there are some strange comparisons of Socialism going on here. Public Trans and Public Utilities are Socialist programs that work and I will agree with that. Mandatory SS and now this Health Care Reform (I refuse to use the term Obamacare because he didn't write one word of it and most likely didn't read it) are those that are either broken or will be broken as soon as they start. As for my VA benefits being Socialist well technically you're right since my fellow servicemembers all get to use it because of our service to this Great Country and if every American were mandated to serve at least 2 years in some capacity (not necessarily military) to be able to reap our benefits I wouldn't have a problem at all with this. There are many positions available if we would quit letting corporations hire 3rd world countries or private companies feed us on our bases world wide. ok now I'm on another topic altogether I'm sorry ADD kicked in.
snow, if you are looking for uncivil writing, look to your own!
May I introduce you to anniejo and cheyenne to start with?
Don't leave mission and dithers out
of that cartel.
pdnet,
snow said "pdnet - your post was mean and vile that's why it was deleted "
Were you telling the truth about her again? Bad boy!
Snowda, Obama was against the mandate before he was for it...
...aint that a hoot?
http://youtu.be/EoSnqofelsQ
Again, state versus Federal powers. Will you never learn the difference? That's why SCOTUS said Obamacare had to be viewed as a tax and could not survive constitutional scrutiny as a mandate based on the commerce clause. Seriously, your non-stop repetition of Romney supporting a STATE mandate as an argument that we should have a FEDERAL mandate should embarrass you.
un civil writing = you're the champ pdnet
Anniejo is barely logging in and Chey is not either.
Check your points.
You live here and cannot seem to keep your anger in check.
News just said Obama's popularity rating just went up 5%.
Most of America is concerned that everyone have health insurance and that they buy in.
It's not fair to those of us who pay and take responsibility for our lives and health if others
do not. There are estimates that non-insured's raise everyone's premium $ 1,000. a year to cover the losses that medical facilities and doctors incur by treating the uninsured.
I can't wait for the 49% that
don't pay taxes to start sending money in for Obama-Care. They're going to finally make them pay for their own care, right......? Put your wine away snow, you are befuddled.
Be nice Fair...
If Snow enjoys wine and makes it, it's a plus...
Enhances agriculture...A super huge part of the American landscape...
Gasp, I said American? Yes I did...
Is F N B being nasty again?
There's a way to fix that. IGNORE USER. Try it, it's great!
49% Do not pay taxes? Not True!
This is another conservative storyline that is not true. I know... liberals do not like facts...but this link will debunk another often repeated conservative over simplification. Read and learn, at least try.
http://www.cbpp.org/cms/index.cfm?fa=view&id=3505
Excerpts:
"These figures cover only the federal income tax and ignore the substantial amounts of other federal taxes — especially the payroll tax — that many of these households pay. As a result, these figures greatly overstate the share of households that do not pay federal taxes. Tax Policy Center data show that only about 17 percent of households did not pay any federal income tax or payroll tax in 2009, despite the high unemployment and temporary tax cuts that marked that year.[5] In 2007, a more typical year, the figure was 14 percent. This percentage would be even lower if it reflected other federal taxes that households pay, including excise taxes on gasoline and other items."
"Moreover, even these figures greatly understatelow-income households’ totaltax burden because these households also pay substantial state and local taxes. Data from the Institute on Taxation and Economic Policy show that the poorest fifth of households paid a stunning 12.3 percent of their incomes in state and local taxes in 2011."
I know some will continue to repeat their lies because it suits their purposes, but they are still lies.
Mr. Bond...
You just nailed the theme of the Rush Limbaugh show...
Lies...Lies...Lies...
the outrage industry - right wing talk shows
We live in a unique time when phony outrage and red meat baiting are the way that the right wing communicates with their base. Accusations, exaggerations, distortions, fear, anger and outrage have (according to Pew Research) increased the partisanship. Time is not spent on facts and data but focuses on denegrating their opponents.
Rush Limbaugh (drug user, serial marriages - moral compass?) is the prime example of this.
One need look no further than this comment section to see that. That's why posts are deleted by the Dispatch when they go over that line.
Also the wing nutty e mail forwards that have been proven over and over to be 'pants on fire' wrong, but continue to circulate among the least educated who are unable to do any critical thinking or fact checking. In fact, they don't want to find out the truth - they are only interested in their opinion.
As a kid I remember my relatives and neighbors discussing politics. There was respect, even if people did not agree. Our country can only move forward when we work together. Now it's more about winning than the success of our country.
How very sad.
OK James,
the 49% that don't pay income taxes will work.
Also paying excise and sales taxes with money that is given to you by the taxpayers in the form of welfare or assistance hardly qualifies you to claim they pay those taxes. The taxpayers are paying them again. That is all part oif the government sleight of hand.
JB says and I quote "Liberals do not like facts..."
So true. Their only defense against Republicans and Conservatives is Fox News and Limbaugh. How childish. As for the 49% that don't pay taxes, yes it is true they pay all forms of taxes. But when they get a bigger refund on federal taxes than what they pay in, that counterbalances any other tax that they pay out. Plus as FNB points out, with all the federal subsidies and benefits that these people get, they are hardly hurting, except when the cameras are rolling.
It would also seem that for some odd reasoning, the left seems to have this idea that people who are forced to have health insurance some how equals personal responsibility is a crock. Those that didn't want to pay for it before and will now be force to have a new bill to pay, will just end up not paying another bill. It is call the circle of irresponsibility, or as I call it Liberalism.
Are you for real? WOW
Are you for real? WOW
Socialism, communism, liberalism
Socialism: A system of social organization in which the means of producing and distributing goods is owned by a centralized government that often plans and controls the economy.
Communism: A system of social organization in which all economic and social activity is controlled by a totalitarian state dominated by a single and self-perpetuating political party. (Democrats)
Liberalism: A political or social philosophy advocating the freedom of the individual, parliamentary systems of government, modification of political, social institutions to assure unrestricted development in all spheres of human endeavor, and governmental guarantees of individual rights. (Chaos)
I see a pattern here. This must be the change Obama wanted. A slow slide from conservatism to communism. Thank you Comrade 'bama!
Socialism, communism, liberalism
Socialism: A system of social organization in which the means of producing and distributing goods is owned by a centralized government that often plans and controls the economy.
Communism: A system of social organization in which all economic and social activity is controlled by a totalitarian state dominated by a single and self-perpetuating political party. (Democrats)
Liberalism: A political or social philosophy advocating the freedom of the individual, parliamentary systems of government, modification of political, social institutions to assure unrestricted development in all spheres of human endeavor, and governmental guarantees of individual rights. (Chaos)
I see a pattern here. This must be the change Obama wanted. A slow slide from conservatism to communism. Thank you Comrade 'bama!