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No new taxes. Really?

Posted: May 24, 2012 - 5:12pm

It is time to clarify what the Republicans seem to mean by “No new taxes.”

I just paid my property tax for this year and my rate has increased by more than 22 percent from last year, thanks to the Republican controlled Legislature. And that was so we could lower taxes on corporations and preserve the protected status of the richest among us.

No new taxes clearly means no new taxes for corporations and for the richest and most privileged and, well, maybe higher fees and taxes, not to mention higher prices for those who are not in that special group. If we were meant to be paying lower taxes we would be rich. Apparently someone, perhaps God, or that “invisible hand of the marketplace,” has written somewhere that this is how things are intended to be.

Just to put this in perspective, the corporate tax rate in the 1950s was 47 percent and our society actually worked really well. It has been cut drastically since then to an historic low, not to mention the profits that are hidden offshore.

The same is true of taxes on the highest parts of income…you know those parts that are way, way beyond any basic living needs.

On the federal level these taxes are less than 40 percent of what they were and on the state level taxes have become regressive

I bet you haven’t gotten an equivalent decrease in your taxes. But then someone has to sacrifice to keep society healthy and functioning.

No new taxes, are you kidding? It is about cutting even the old taxes for the economic elite and their corporations, now artificial human beings…and apparently becoming the new primary citizens of this country. All to improve their lives at our expense. Doesn’t that just warm the cockles of your heart?

Bob Passi

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dutchman7
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dutchman7 05/25/12 - 12:11 am
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Hmm...No New Taxes...Pawlenty Years...

Let's see...
Have evidence...
Property Taxes in Crow Wing County Skyrocketed during the Pawlenty years...
Nope...
Pawlenty during his Governorship Tenure raised taxes...
Said he didnt'...Matter of wording and I personally paid more...
Now matter how he splices the wording...

Remember, as Governor, he overall could contribute or not the entire State of Minnesota...
And taxes (including property) increased...

Can't escape reality former Governor Mr. Pawlenty...

Poorman
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Poorman 05/25/12 - 05:48 am
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The state has nothing to do

The state has nothing to do with property taxes

captron
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captron 05/25/12 - 06:43 am
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Really Poorman ?

I guess that would explain Gov Daytons last veto of the session in St Paul. That GOP sponsored and passed legislation ,in an effort to reward job creators ,promote small business growth ,and while they were at it "government & regulatory reform" proposed to eliminate property taxes for small business or commercial property as most people would call it among other income tax breaks for the same business owners. Im certain the state GOP lawmakers figured this year was their last ,therefore what did they have to lose ?. Do get out and vote in Nov. , you can make a difference.

muehlbau
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muehlbau 05/25/12 - 06:48 am
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Yeah, we wouldn't want to help job creators...

Tax them within an inch of their lives! Right, Captron?

Windyhills
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Windyhills 05/25/12 - 07:52 am
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Helping job creators?

That's been the republican plank for years now. Sorry, but trickle down has been proven to be a fallacy--if it worked, the economy would not be in the trouble it is.

The author went back to the 50's for an example. We need not go back that far. Higher income individuals paid much more in taxes than they do today in the Reagan years. Remember them?

The truth is there have been tax cuts after tax cut and people seem to conveniently forget basic skills that one would assume they use to manage their own budgets. As you have less and less coming in sooner or later you have to pay the piper.

Also forgotten is that many of those tax cuts came with a promise--a promise that they were temporary. A short time boost for the economy.

What we have learned is that no tax cut is ever temporary. Each and every one is treated as permanent by the republicans.

True fiscal responsibility goes out the window with both parties. Just as any new major spending has to be reviewed for absolute need in this economy, so does every tax cut. Both affect the pocketbook! Neither party is fiscally responsible in this regard, and it's getting worse particularly on the right side.

pdnet15
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pdnet15 05/25/12 - 09:00 am
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While you are blaming Pawlenty

for property tax increases, take a look at your school board.

OkeyDokey
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OkeyDokey 05/25/12 - 10:47 am
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And WHY does the school board

And WHY does the school board need to obtain more money through property tax? Could it be because State funding has been stagnant while costs of goods and services have skyrocketed?

No tax increases in state taxes mean that the state contribution to public education can't keep up with inflation. This puts more of the burden on the backs of the local population through property tax.

We, Joe Public are still paying. We are just paying through increased local taxes instead of increased state taxes.

muehlbau
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muehlbau 05/26/12 - 05:54 pm
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I'd take trickle down economics...

...in a thriving economy, over the trickle up poverty we are currently experiencing. Not only are the poor worse off under Obamanomics, the middle class is quickly sliding into poverty.

Cheyenne43
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Cheyenne43 05/25/12 - 07:08 pm
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LMAO muehlbau,

the middle-class has been sliding into poverty for four decades, ever since 'trickle-down' came into vogue. Wages have stagnated while wealth has been redirected to the top. Maybe with a vulture capitalist in charge we could complete the process of transferring the economy off-shore. It would make some people even richer.

muehlbau
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muehlbau 05/25/12 - 08:39 pm
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Obama is a vulture statist...

...how is that any better than a vulture capitalist? At least vulture capitalists create jobs in the private sector (something rather important for funding the public sector, in case you'd forgotten). Furthermore, I certainly don't see the poor getting any better off under Obama's leadership. To the contrary, they are WAY worse off (especially Afro-Americans).

And for all his blather about helping the poor and middle classes, Obama sure is directing a lot of taxpayer money to the rich (Solyndra, GM, banks, etc.) Obama has a record this time around, and it is pretty abysmal.

Lifelongresident
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Lifelongresident 05/25/12 - 08:57 pm
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"the middle-class has been sliding into poverty for 4 decades"

One of those myths is that middle class income has “stagnated” in the last 40 years. And that’s because the rich have basically ended up with the money generated. Those pushing that premise are citing economists Thomas Piketty and Emanuel Saez study which claims the taxable income of the bottom 99 percent increased by just 12 percent from 1970 to 2008.

That premise and those claims are under serious assault. In fact, the University of Chicago’s Tino Sanandaji finds that there has been pretty significant growth in middle class income.

The simple method is combining the best income-distribution estimate (from Pickety&Saez) with the best income-growth estimates (from GDP numbers). This method shows that that between 1970-2008 the real per capita income of the “Bottom 99 Percent” grew by 80%, and the income of the “Bottom 90 Percent” grew by 60%.

80%? Last time I looked that was a bit higher than 12%!

And there is statistical backup for Sanandaji’s findings:
From 1975-2009, real per capita GDP increased by 90 percent vs. 17 percent growth in real median household income, as measured by the Census Bureau. On top of that:
These calculations are in line with new research from University of Chicago’s Bruce Meyer and Notre Dame’s James Sullivan, who find that “median income and consumption both rose by more than 50 percent in real terms between 1980 and 2009.”

Conclusion? If the premise is that one of the reasons that upper income increased in that period is because middle class income stagnated, the premise just isn’t supported by reality. Income is not a zero-sum game. And one of the points on the pro side of capitalism is it lifts all boats – as demonstrated here.

Cheyenne43
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Cheyenne43 05/25/12 - 09:05 pm
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Nice cut and paste Lifelong,

May I ask your source?

lakelander
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lakelander 05/25/12 - 10:14 pm
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eyolf:

Conservatives have a commune? Who knew? Sounds like communism. LOL!

Cheyenne43
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Cheyenne43 05/25/12 - 11:31 pm
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Well,

you've heard of corporate welfare.

@Eyolf: Interesting that Sarandaji's (the original source 'economist') theory has not made mainstream. There seem to be a few problems with his analysis, though he does offer some interesting insights.

muehlbau
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muehlbau 05/26/12 - 08:03 am
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I know Obama...

...has heard of corporate welfare. He's an expert practitioner of it.

Lifelongresident
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Lifelongresident 05/26/12 - 08:31 am
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So the concern is WHERE I got my information?

Yet you seem not to dispute the content!

If you must know the secondary source is my own from a piece that was written in the Wall Street Journal. I didn't know that the rule is that I have to quote every source of information I may absorb in reading other people's work.

fishhead
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fishhead 05/26/12 - 08:52 am
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This week economist on the

This week economist on the radio said that the majority of jobs that have been created during the Great Recession were created by the job creators who always create the most jobs......small business.

By 'small business' he was talking about businesses with few dozen or less employees not the mega businesses the GOP favors. Most of those small businesses wouldn't be impacted by increasing the tax rate on the wealthy because they are below the $250,000/yr income and even those that are would keep the exact same tax rate on their income up to $250,000.

muehlbau
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muehlbau 05/26/12 - 08:57 am
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Democrats favor large business...

...where have you been Fish? Look at the recipients of the bail-out money! Big insurance, big banks, big manufacturing. Partisan fighting gets us nowhere. The crony capitalism, regardless of what party is engaging in it has to stop. People have to stop thinking of the government as their personal sugar daddy or we will all be ruined.

shadrack
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shadrack 05/26/12 - 09:00 am
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plagiarism

LLR, regarding your response about whether or not it is appropriate to post a plagiarized comment; that isn't the only issue. If you are copying something you read on another blog, it helps readers to know the the focus/intent of the original author. As we all know, there are publications and writers out there with very specific and polarized points of view (one could even say prejudices.)

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stevebusch 05/26/12 - 09:11 am
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"We need not go back that

"We need not go back that far. Higher income individuals paid much more in taxes than they do today in the Reagan years. Remember them?" I certainly do remember when our president was proud of our country and knew how to salute our flag and our troops. We need only to go back to 2008 when a totally unqualified Demoncrat promised to improve healthcare while adding millions to the healthcare giveaway and cutting our nation's record high debt. Ah," hope and change" Fired up and ready to send Michlele on another $8 million vacation in spain.BTW, guess what O'Bama's solution to the debt crisis is.
If you voted for Barry or if you didn't vote at all, you have no right to complain to the rest of us. Tough nuggies!

Lifelongresident
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Lifelongresident 05/26/12 - 10:36 am
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Wow,

After reading the crap that I read on here day after day copied from the pages of the liberal blogs but I get called into question on a piece, that no one questions the facts that it is correct, only whether I cut and pasted it. Unbelievable!!

muehlbau
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muehlbau 05/26/12 - 10:43 am
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That's the way it goes...

...LLR. Double standards all the way. They call it "pragmatism". I call it "convenient".

Cheyenne43
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Cheyenne43 05/26/12 - 10:47 am
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Lifelong,

I was interested in tracking the original study down so I could examine it myself. Thanks to Eyolf's suggestion, I was able to do that.

And yes, it is standard procedure to note the source when somehting is copied word for word. If you're concerned about crap copied from blogs, you might register your complaint with 'blog-boy' Keith Hanson... he's a master at it.

lakelander
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lakelander 05/26/12 - 12:23 pm
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true, cheyenne

At least Mike O'Rourke writes original columns aimed at local and state issues. We don't really need copies of national blogs/stories when they are available online to all.
I like that characterization: "Blog-boy". But I hear FNB typing a response...1, 2, 3...here he comes.

Cheyenne43
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Cheyenne43 05/26/12 - 12:39 pm
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;-P~

;-P~

lakelander
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lakelander 05/26/12 - 07:19 pm
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No such thing as "free love" in the MN. Senate

Amy and Michael's legal bills for their affair are mounting.

And who is picking up the tab? Minnesota Taxpayers.

"The legal tab for the Minnesota Senate in the firing of a high-ranking staffer is $46,150 and counting, according to an invoice released Friday."

muehlbau
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muehlbau 05/27/12 - 07:09 am
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I'd make Koch pay the legal bills...

...if I were king, but I have a feeling that's not the way the law works.

I do marvel at your ability to throw stones from glass houses, though. Do you recall how much of taxpayer's dollars it cost to deal with Bill Clinton's legal escapades? How about the legal costs for Obama, so he didn't have to do something he should have done before he even got on the ballot (i.e., show his long form birth certificate)?

lakelander
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lakelander 05/27/12 - 08:59 am
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oh, how predictible...

I didn't get a long form birth certificate when I sent to my birthplace, so am I ineligible, too? Do you get one in Crow Wing County?

You know the kind the birthers want: one that has a detailed description by each person in the delivery room, nurses and doctor, describing each toe and finger, and signed and notarized, too! And maybe a few polaroids attached, too?

Is President Obama the first US Senator in history to be asked to show his "long form" birth certificate in order to run for the presidency? Did John McCain have to explain his birth in Panama? Did George Romney have to explain his birth in Mexico? Hmmm...how are they different from President Obama? Did they have long form BCs? Do Ron Paul and Mitt Romney? Have they shown them? Are they on the internet for all to see?

Sorry, meuhl, your credibility just tanked.

shadrack
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shadrack 05/27/12 - 11:41 am
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Now I'm curious, Muehlbauer.

Now you have me curious, Muehlbauer. What sources are you citing regarding the cost to taxpayers for defense of Presidents Clinton and Obama? And while we're on the topic, why would President Obama need to defend his claim to be a US citizen? He was born in Hawaii, and that fact has been honestly verified and clear to most citizens from the very start.

muehlbau
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muehlbau 05/27/12 - 11:57 am
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I don't give a crap about where Obama was born at this point...

...I'm saying that the long form is a requirement to determine eligibility to run for the presidency. It existed. It should have been produced. It wasn't for years. It cost a lot of taxpayer money to delay the vetting process.

...and yes, John McCain needed an act of Congress to be allowed to run for the Presidency because of the circumstances surrounding his birth. Seems a little bit of a double standard, don't you think?

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