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No tipping point

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Posted: February 21, 2012 - 6:21pm

Several weeks ago I corresponded with all of the federal legislators that represent our district. The subject of the correspondence was Minimum Required Distribution (MRD) from individual retirement accounts. With the financial market downturn in 2008 the federal government suspended the required MRD withdrawal in 2009. Since then withdrawals have been required. At end of 2011 the market had still not recovered and many individual retirement accounts were as much as 10 percent to 35 percent below their 2008 levels. Most all financial advisers say to not make withdrawals when market is in a downturn, yet the federal government requires withdrawals to be made, even if it accelerates the decline of a person’s retirement accounts. The question put forth to each of the legislators was: What are your views on Minimum Required Distribution for individual retirement accounts?

The only reply was from Sen. Amy Klobuchar and the first sentence in her reply was most interesting. It was: “Thank you very much for taking the time to send me your thoughts on the future of Social Security.” The next four paragraphs all related to Social Security and not one word about Minimum Required Distribution from individual retirement accounts.

If our federal legislators or their aides (who undoubtedly made the reply) do not know the difference between Social Security and individual retirement accounts such as IRA’s, 401k, 403B, 457, etc., what does that say about our current or future leadership of the United States of America.

Kent Rees

Emily

The Obama administration is taking credit for a $25 billion settlement with banks over foreclosure abuses. Seventeen billion will go to an estimated 1 million at-risk borrowers, or $17,000 each on average. In addition, borrowers who went through foreclosure in the past four years will be eligible to receive $1,500 to $2,000.

The bankers had already set aside most of the cost of the settlements, not President Obama. This money will come from the tax money bailout funds that were given to the banks by the federal government. All of this is classified as political election year shenanigans. Who pays the bill in the end?

Richard A. Mann

Aitkin

The Feb. 21 Open Forum writer is mistaken to imply that the 2,500 expert reviewers to the United Nations Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) agree that our greenhouse gas emissions are causing a climate crisis. In reality, only 62 of them even commented on the chapter in the IPCC report that addresses this issue. And, of those 62, some disagreed with the conclusion and most of the rest worked for governments so had to say what their leaders said, no matter what they actually thought.

Similarly, the statements of national academies of science about a supposed human-caused climate crisis prove nothing since none of these groups have shown that a majority of their members agree with the organizations’ position. The statements are just the opinions of the groups’ executives or committees appointed by the executive. The rank and file scientist members are rarely consulted at all.

The idea of consensus in the climate science community is simply a myth. No one knows what, if any, “scientific consensus” exists about the causes of the past century’s warming or possible future events.

Similarly, the idea that, at our current 394 ppm atmospheric CO2, the Earth is close to some tipping point, a “point of no return”, as the writer puts it, is completely unsubstantiated by science and history. CO2 levels have been up to 15 times higher (yes, 1,500 percent) than today in the past and there was no catastrophe. In fact plants evolved during periods when CO2 levels were much higher than today and so a return to these levels will enhance crop yield, something we desperately need considering our growing population.

Tom Harris

Executive Director

International Climate Science Coalition

Ottawa, Ontario

Canada

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rolflindy
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rolflindy 02/23/12 - 02:54 am
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The ICSC

The so-called International Climate Science Coalition is a collection of global warming deniers. I haven't been able find any of their papers in peer reviewed journals. It doesn't mean that there aren't some doubts about global warming.
As to those high CO2 levels, people weren't around then. CO2 levels are real high on Venus; you wouldn't want to be there either.

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JohnBrown 02/23/12 - 06:12 pm
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The ICSC

The coalition itself doesn't publish papers for peer review; the scientists belonging to the coalition do.

Hope this helps in your relatively easy search for peer reviewed papers.

TomHarrisICSC
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TomHarrisICSC 02/24/12 - 05:14 pm
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ICSC not deniers

Climate always changes. And, of course we “believe in human-caused climate change.” Witness the urban heat island effect around most cities. We do however question the hypothesis that dangerous human-caused global climate change is now, or will in the foreseeable future, happen.

Have a look at http://www.thesudburystar.com/ArticleDisplay.aspx?e=3192988
for more discussion on this.

Tom

rolflindy
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rolflindy 02/24/12 - 06:28 pm
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Great names

The ICSC is similar to the Union of Concerned Scientists. They have a great name and not much science.

TomHarrisICSC
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TomHarrisICSC 02/24/12 - 10:48 pm
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rolflindy
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rolflindy 02/24/12 - 06:35 pm
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The climate models versus reality

The atmospheric chemistry of molecules with 3 or more atoms resonating with segments of the earth's IR is well understood science. The problem is that the models based on that science are forecasting more warming than is actually happening. It is hard to predict the effect of things like ocean absorption of CO2; additional plant growth absorbing GHGs, etc. But the results from annual dumping of billions of tons of those gases into the atmosphere are not likely to be beneficial.
Rolf Westgard

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TomHarrisICSC 02/24/12 - 10:49 pm
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Benefits of CO2 rise likely very substantial

Remember plants evolved when CO2 levels were much higher. Aerial enrichment of this nutrient is already increasing crop yield. Take a look at http://www.co2science.org for the many benefits of CO2 rise.

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TomHarrisICSC 02/24/12 - 10:52 pm
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CO2 levels are real high on Venus, says rolflindy

Venus is so hot mainly because of the high atmospheric pressure at the surface, not the CO2 atmosphere (which contributes, of course, as does the planet's closer proximity to the Sun, the fact that a day on Venus is many months long allowing the day side to get very, very hot, not to mention the warming effect of aerosols in the atmosphere). It is not as simple as Gore and others make it out to be.

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Fair n Balanced 02/25/12 - 08:49 am
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TomHarrisICSC

Tom seems to have stymied Mr. Westgard with intelligent discord and not insults.

rolflindy
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rolflindy 02/25/12 - 10:55 am
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placing my bets

I'll still go with Jim Hansen and the IPCC over self appointed groups. It's a complicated subject - see the latest satellite data on the lack of change in escaping radiation.

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TomHarrisICSC 02/25/12 - 02:33 pm
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Yes, it is a complicated subject ...

... which is why one must listen to both sides of the debate and make up one's own mind what to believe independent of fashion or political correctness.

There is no better place to start this investigation that the Nongovernmental International Panel on Climate Change that you can see on http://www.nipccreport.com .

Try it - you will be surprised how many of the IPCC's conclusions are easily shown to be dubious, if not entirely wrong.

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