Green energy, specifically wind power/towers, will be our salvation according to the messiah.
Take a look at what a good deal wind power is. Denmark has the worlds
highest density of wind towers 5,200 or one for every 1,000 people.
Forgetting the “ugliness” of these towers, the Danes enjoy the privilege of paying the highest energy prices in Europe, and about four times the U.S. average. Their wind power is so inefficient that it’s only viable with massive government taxes. About half of the 2008 Danish household rate of 28 eurocents per kilowatt hour is tax!
Between 1996 and 2004 the Danish taxpayers spent an average of 257 million Eurodollars subsidizing wind farms.
I can hardly wait for Obama to jam wind power down our throats like Obama Care.
Art Becker
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Add commentAgreeing with Art
This time, I am in agreement with Mr. Becker.
Those Denmark wind turbines do produce a lot of power when the wind is strong, but most of it can't be used by the carefully balanced electric grid. So that power gets dumped off at a loss to Norway and Sweden. They use it to pump water back up behind their hydroelectric dams, acting as a kind of battery for Denmark. When Denmark needs power it buys it from those countries, usually Sweden which gets its power from hydro and nuclear. Sweden isn't dumb enough to invest in a lot of wind power.
There is a widely held belief that Denmark gets 20% and more of its grid power from wind. A recent study by CEPOS of Denmark puts the actual figure at 9%.
Rolf W.
Obama and wind
Obama isn't jamming wind power down anybody's throat. Those wind mandates are coming from ignorant state legislatures like Minnesota's.
A large part of the reason
A large part of the reason our energy is so cheap in America is because it's subsidized by pushing the cost of climate change into the future. That has destroyed the free market effect. We should have a carbon and environmental tax added to our bill so that we can make informed decisions.
"We should have a carbon and
"We should have a carbon and environmental tax added to our bill so that we can make informed decisions."
Right, Fish. Taxes help people make informed decisions. Taxes fix everything!
raising revenue
I haven't seen any budget balancing idea that works without raising revenue. A gasoline tax is the least bad of all the tax options. It also encourages conservation, efficient cars, and makes ethanol more competitive. Better than just handing ethanol several billion dollars/year as we do now. Let's take in some money instead of handing it out.
I have no problem with a gas
I have no problem with a gas tax, as it's a consumption tax.
However, I do have a BIG problem with things like cap & trade, etc.
Agreed
Wolf, cap and trade is a bureaucratic nightmare - trying to figure out cap levels for thousand of individual energy users. And then they just buy offsets. Imagine the new bureaucracy required.
denmark and art b
in regards to mr. beckers comment about denmark it should be noted that the danes may well indeed pay higher energy rates than here in the states, but it is also true that they enjoy almost universal access to healthcare as well as education, and furthermore they are rich in culture and have a highly competetive, free trade economy. they are also famous for a cooperative movement in the agriculture sector whereby small producers/farmers are very successfull. they enjoy a lower unemployment rate, and are consistenly regarded as one the "happiest" countries on earth. on top of all that, they are a multi cultural democracy that values the open society, and have even contributed resources in the form of soldiers to peacekeeping efforts around the globe, including iraq and afganistan. so mr. becker is free to type whatever gibberish he wants but he should remember that in the global conflict of the open society vs the closed theocratic society, denmark is a worthy ally, that could teach these united states quite alot.
I know, Rolf. We have
I know, Rolf. We have discussed this before.
robert e. kremer
Good post. Art is beyond help. He just scurries to the Dispatch with his latest emails without any research whatsoever. He probably couldn't find Denmark on a map.
Denmark
I think we can agree that Denmark is a marvelous country. Just ignore the myths about its wind turbines.
well no, we dont need to
well no, we dont need to ignore the "myths" about denmarks wind turbines because they are not myths. they produce many jobs as well as a substantial amount of power, to be consumed locally and sold to its neighbors. many of the turbines are owned cooperatively by small farming communities throughout the nation. roughly 20% of its electricity demand is produced by wind power as well as around 3% of its gdp coming from wind power technology exported throughout. there was a report a couple yrs ago that attempted to "expose" the "myth" of danish windpower but the report itself was exposed as a fraud that was financed by american oil and coal interests.
art's sources
Are known only to Art. Maybe he should identify them. Probably some fraudulant email financed by oil interests, as you say. But Art never reveals his sources. Which is why he is not seen as a credible source of knowledge.
Mr robert kremer
Thanks for telling us how good your country is doing. Can I ask you one question??
Say for instance throw 11+ million illegal"s in that country that is just a little
bigger than Maryland & pop not to much different & lets visit about your universal
access to healthcare,ED,& even your culture. Gee I wonder do you guard your borders??
Or is it just maybe not to many people want to go to your wonderful little country??
By the way I can tell you have relation in this area called fishhead.
Denmark's wind myth
Denmark's turbines can produce 20% of Denmark's demand, but most of its wildly varying output can't be used by the grid at the time, and there is no storage. so most of it dumped to Norway, Sweden, and Germany through 2400MW of interconnect capacity.
Denmark's Vestas is the world's largest wind turbine company and exports a lot to unsuspecting customers including here in the U.S.
Queen Elizabeth's husband, the Duke of Edinburgh, created a stir last week when he launched a withering assault on the wind turbine industry, calling England's wind farms “a disgrace”.
He also criticised the industry’s reliance on subsidies from electricity customers, claimed wind farms would “never work” and accused people who support them of believing in a “fairy tale”. Two-thirds of England’s wind turbines are owned by foreign companies, which are estimated to reap $800 million a year in subsidies.
When the subsidies stop, the wind business goes as quiet as those turbine blades on a muggy summer day. All ACs are running and there isn't "a breath of air".