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Gun control: options facing America

Posted: January 15, 2013 - 10:05am

In three of the last five editions of the Dispatch you (Keith Hansen) used your column to write about gun control. As I (Dick Peterson) see the issue, it is about a number of issues for which two options can be stated in terms of good vs. bad? Or right vs. wrong? These items are:

DP: President Obama’s decision to implement some changes in policies on gun control. (Still unknown.)

DP: Mandatory universal registration.

KH: While federal law provides for registration of all guns sold by retailers, it does not have a provision to register guns sold at gun shows or private individual sales. However, most criminals do not buy their guns from a retailer or private party — they steal them or buy guns that have been used in other criminal activities.

DP: Mandatory background checks regarding restrictions for those with criminal or abnormal mental health records.

KH: Again, criminals do not buy their weapons of choice legally. Further, in situations like Newtown, Conn., the son of a legal weapon buyer used the gun to shoot the legal gun owner (his mother) and then slaughtered 26 innocent people.

DP: Restrictions on rounds per loaded gun (magazine sizes, etc.).

KH: Magazine size has some merit, but states that have these restrictions in place, like California, have a problem. Criminals, e.g. drug dealers, do not buy these magazines from the local sporting goods store, they buy them from other illegal businesses.

DP: Prohibition of citizen ownership of rapid-fire, semiautomatic high velocity weapons.

KH: It would be difficult to enforce. Most deer hunting rifles and .22 caliber rifles are semi automatic. Both are considered high velocity. Both are used by men and women who find the semi automatic easier to use, either because of a person’s size, or ability to handle a bolt action or lever action rifle. Most bolt action rifles have a capacity of four bullets and one in the chamber and the same tends to hold true for semi automatic rifles. Lever action rifles may hold more cartridges. Capacity varies with each gun.

DP: Restrictions on gun-violence movies and video games.

KH: I agree. Video games that promote violence must be restricted. Movies are often violent to the point of being absurd. However, Hollywood has the support of this administration and most of the House and Senate. Don’t look for a willingness on the part of the far left Hollywood crowd to curb the violence they show on the big screen or on television.

DP: With regard to these points, you have not given a clear plus vs. minus opinion that I am aware of. Implicitly, this means you (and the paper) are for the status quo and against any change. This is OK in some sense, but it means that you and I differ. Does it mean all these changes will make for big reductions in gun deaths in a few years or even a decade? Given all the guns and gun traffic, legal and illegal, we now have hidden on U.S. premises, no. But to take no stand is to admit we are a nation that lives more by “In guns we trust” than by “In God we trust” and “Under God” slogans so dear to the right wing. The murder of 20 children and six teachers just “goes with the territory.” Let’s at least admit the hypocrisy in much of this “pro-life” and “pro God” rhetoric.

DP: In Sundays’ edition you wrote about Stewart Mills’ demonstration of a buck-shot 12 gauge shotgun vs. a .223 cal. rifle. How is this relevant to the item above?

KH: It took over 15 seconds to fire a .223 with accuracy at a target, but it took only 5 seconds to fire a shotgun at the five targets. (Mills’ response to Rep. Rick Nolan’s comment.)

DP: In all the city and school playgrounds, outdoor high school sports fields, summer camps with congested waterfronts, etc., how does any shotgun compare with the killing potential of an assault weapon with a scope site from 75 yards for some person bent on killing?

Dick Peterson

Keith Hansen

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Fair n Balanced
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Fair n Balanced 01/15/13 - 05:53 pm
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Be vewy,vewy careful, Purposed.

Last night, when I pointed out that the Lefters like to promote the LIE that Dealers sell guns at gun shows without background checks and ALL guns sold at gun shows are sold with no background checks, I was attacked by a Baxter troll that lives in daddy's basement. Private people walking around at gun shows do sell them without background checks BUT...... THE DEALERS CAN"T AND DON"T!
When I took the lad to task for his insulting me and inferring nasty things about me personally the moderators took the story and all comments down. Today they put the story back up minus the comments.

shadrack
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shadrack 01/15/13 - 08:58 pm
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I hadn't heard the story that

I hadn't heard the story that all guns at gun shows are sold without background checks, but I had heard that there were guns procured at gun shows without background checks. I have also heard that in Minnesota a buyer can purchase multiple guns from reputable dealers. I've also heard that the gun restrictions in Minnesota are similar to those of Alabama. Does the fact that I've heard these things make me a "Lefter"?

And if the story were 'taken down', does that indicate that you're trying to ressurrect the story on another forum strand?

And while we're on the subject, fnb, what do you think is the solution? I believe I heard today that there are 89 deaths by guns in the US every day. Do you honestly think we can solve this by telling everyone to carry a gun and carry out their own defense? Isn't there a way to prevent this violence ahead of time instead of preparing ourselves to shoot our way out of confrontations when they happen? People are killed by guns in the US every day and it happens way too often. We consider ourselves a civilized country, yet we allow this pattern to repeat itself over and over. When do we all stand up and say "Enough?"

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drhassett 01/15/13 - 09:09 pm
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Unfair n unbalanced

My apologies FnB. I didn't realize that I got under your skin with the use of logic and reason (or in your words, "LIES"). I just took the time to read your multiple posts today - and it's obvious I struck a nerve. I certainly didn't mean to "attack" you by pointing out the conventional thinking in a comprehensive gun control debate, and pointing out that while some aspects of the debate may seem unfair to you - the purpose of gun control (and violence control) legislation is NOT pointed specifically at you, nor your 1908 rifles.
I also pointed out that most (if not all) of your posts are highly negative and cynical. Evidently that was over-the-line, and upset you, and for that I apologize. For you to refer to me as a "troll", I must have really irritated you, and that was not my intent.
Also, you must have me mistaken with someone else as I neither live with my parents, nor reside in Baxter.
I do, however, have a full time (taxpaying) job that keeps me away from spending all day on the Brainerd Daily Dispatch's website. That prevents me from being able to troll (pun intended) every article searching for some cynical slant to spew negativity all day long. So, again, I apologize to have upset you.

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southie11 01/15/13 - 09:11 pm
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Well, shadrack, the state of New York

is saying, "Enough is enough!" They are willing to at least be proactive and try something.

Fair n Balanced
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Fair n Balanced 01/15/13 - 09:21 pm
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shad-hassett,

195,00 recorded deaths by malpractice in 2011

12,000 nationwide deaths at the hands of drunk drivers

650 stabbed to death in 2011

496 bludgeoned to death by hammer in 2011

323 by "assault rifle" in 2011

Uber Nazi Cuomo will have his totalitarian way (he thinks) but ensuing law suits will reign him in along with his 'head-nodding' state lawmakers. Just another reason to get the h*** out of New York State. More gun laws aren't the answer Mr. Politician. Just look at Chicago
You two clowns should move in together!
And hasmanboy, I am only negative of Lefters like you and the rackshad.

Fair n Balanced
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Fair n Balanced 01/15/13 - 09:22 pm
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Fair n Balanced
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Fair n Balanced 01/15/13 - 11:46 pm
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P.S. dr,

it's against the law to use someone else's identity in any way. You should think really hard about the name you're using on here.

sadiemarriedlady
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sadiemarriedlady 01/15/13 - 09:29 pm
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Why do they kill?

New York and especially Chicago need to do something
about the murders.

Getting to the root of the problem would be a start. Some people insist that having lawful citizens
obey new gun laws will help. Fine, but that is not the root of the problem.

They have to also look at tightening up mental health laws.
Parents can't get help for their teenagers and adult children.
Privacy issues. Prescription drugs, illegal drugs, alcohol,
evil people and other issues should be considered.

In Chicago it's the gangs. How do they get guns? Will tightening up gun laws stop them?

sadiemarriedlady
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sadiemarriedlady 01/15/13 - 09:48 pm
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What city had the most murders?

Chicago is the murder capital of the country where the guns that are used in the murders are illegal so, why isn't this the safest city not the one with the most murders.?

The guns used are illegal. Will new gun laws help?

Scribbles
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Scribbles 01/15/13 - 09:54 pm
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Big GraphiC Alert Coming...

Let's be reasonable...

Scribbles
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Scribbles 01/15/13 - 10:00 pm
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Now that I have your attention...Breath and Think...

Insults won't solve gunning down first graders, which in general, are six year olds...
I have received more emails from my friends who enjoy firearms for pleasure and reducing the deer herd...
My family owns firearms...
We support the Second Amendment...
We DO NOT Support gunning down First Graders or Children who are Six Years old...
Do thumbs down...GO AHEAD...
Supporting gunning down First Graders or Children who are Six Years old is your choice...
Be BRAVE...

Fair n Balanced
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Fair n Balanced 01/15/13 - 10:37 pm
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Huhhhh?

You baffled me this time scribs.

pickle
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pickle 01/16/13 - 02:44 am
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scribbles

I can't believe it i gave you thumbs up and gold star. There is hope for you.

captron
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captron 01/16/13 - 10:05 am
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Where is the NRA ad blitz that compares bullet going 3000 fps ?

To an F150 pick em up operated by someone under the influence ?

Oh thats right , the new and improved ad blitz is focused on the inability of the secret service to guard all the kindergarteners in the country !

News Flash ! Bullet Proof backpacks are NOT a solution.

Myeye08
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Myeye08 01/16/13 - 11:10 am
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Cross the aisle compromise

Here's how this will work out...the liberals will ban AR's, banana clips, place limits on ammo purchases and continue to hold on to freedom of expression...the conservatives will get tossed a bone addressing the core issue(s). Conclusion...those with illegal weapons will keep on killing ... those who own weapons legally will be penalized ... funds needed to address the core issue(s) will only be "window dressing" as compared what is needed. In the end...the bad guys will remain bad...the good guys will be temped to turn bad... those who need help will remain needing help.

mav7770
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mav7770 01/16/13 - 11:57 am
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I think you all

Should watch this. It is a video from "Adam Lanzas" doctor.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AHlQlWhHg2c&feature=youtu.be

pickle
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pickle 01/17/13 - 04:37 am
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mav7770

You won't hear any Democrats talk about this.

shadrack
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shadrack 01/17/13 - 09:23 am
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the video wasn't of Adam

the video wasn't of Adam Lanza's doctor.

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