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An argument worth hearing

Posted: November 28, 2012 - 6:40pm

Crow Wing County Administrator Tim Houle should be commended for his efforts to look at ways to reorganize and streamline county government. The latest proposed restructuring, which is just in discussion stages at this point, would replace two currently elective posts with an appointed administrative services director. The positions in question are the county recorder and the county auditor-treasurer.

By all means “outside of the box” thinking is called for, particularly in our governmental agencies. The fact that “we’ve always done it that way” shouldn’t justify a practice that is no longer efficient.

Where many of us would part company with Houle is when he dismisses the concerns about whether the offices should be elected or not. We disagree with Houle’s contention that the debate over whether a post should be elected or not is a “silly little argument.” Citizens can hold elected officials accountable in a way that they can’t hold appointed officials accountable. Just ask the politicians who received their walking papers Nov. 6.

Perhaps a good case could be made that the county recorder post is rightfully an appointed post. The county recorder maintains property records and probate documents and rarely ventures into areas that most citizens would deem to be controversial.

The auditor-treasurer post is a different type of position. In addition to its duties with finances and accounting, this manager is in charge of our elections. If there ever were a case when an auditor-treasurer was not acting as an impartial election official, that person could be challenged in an election and there’s something reassuring about that.

Houle, in his proposal, emphasized customer service, efficiency and cost savings. We look forward to the county commissioners’ discussions on these issues, but won’t be at all offended if they weigh the merits of which officials should best be appointed and which should best be elected.

Mike O’Rourke

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snackfu
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snackfu 11/28/12 - 11:45 pm
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More!

Keep them coming, Mike. We can use more local and original opinion pieces in our paper.

fishhead
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fishhead 11/29/12 - 08:08 am
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This looks like another power

This looks like another power grab from Houle and.....Theide?

factchekr
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factchekr 11/29/12 - 08:43 am
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Not all votes are created equal

A power grab may be in the eyes of the beholder, Fish. For my money, I would prefer more efficient service and lower cost to getting to vote on offices for people I never know and who are most frequently never challenged.

I appreciate the editorial's focus on efficiency and customer service and the question of when an official ought to be elected. That said, the case for electing our elections official is not persuasive to me. Election law in Minnesota is not determined at the local level, nor should it be. It is uniformly prescribed by the Legislature for administration at the local level consistent with the law. That means very little discretion is left to local officials. Simply put, they must follow the law, not make the law. This is vastly different than the discretion for a County Board or City Council to tax us or for a prosecutor to deprive us of our liberty.

Moreover, there are many counties in Minnesota, including our neighbor Cass, that have an appointed position overseeing their elections, so the argument that this can effectively be accomplished with an appointed position isn't just speculation, but you can see it working in actual practice.

As far as grabbing "power," if this is a power grab by Houle or Thiede, I would think they might find an area to try to grab where there is actual policy discretion to apply, rather than just administering policy set by others. Doesn't really sound like Thiede's style to me.

factchekr
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factchekr 11/29/12 - 08:44 am
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Not all votes are created equal

A power grab may be in the eyes of the beholder, Fish. For my money, I would prefer more efficient service and lower cost to getting to vote on offices for people I never know and who are most frequently never challenged.

I appreciate the editorial's focus on efficiency and customer service and the question of when an official ought to be elected. That said, the case for electing our elections official is not persuasive to me. Election law in Minnesota is not determined at the local level, nor should it be. It is uniformly prescribed by the Legislature for administration at the local level consistent with the law. That means very little discretion is left to local officials. Simply put, they must follow the law, not make the law. This is vastly different than the discretion for a County Board or City Council to tax us or for a prosecutor to deprive us of our liberty.

Moreover, there are many counties in Minnesota, including our neighbor Cass, that have an appointed position overseeing their elections, so the argument that this can effectively be accomplished with an appointed position isn't just speculation, but you can see it working in actual practice.

As far as grabbing "power," if this is a power grab by Houle or Thiede, I would think they might find an area to try to grab where there is actual policy discretion to apply, rather than just administering policy set by others. Doesn't really sound like Thiede's style to me.

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OkeyDokey 11/29/12 - 10:51 am
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Have the seats for these

Have the seats for these positions been challenged in recent years, or has it only been the incumbent on the ballot?

If no one else ever runs, then what is the point to having it be an elected position? Go with efficiency. Of course, that comes at the cost of another person out of a job when the 2 positions are combined. More people laid off contributes to the unemployment problem. So which is more important? Saving a few dollars with a restructure, or keeping another person employed so they may contribute to the economy?

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charlie m 11/29/12 - 11:54 am
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Okey Donkey

I believe I have mentioned to you before, If you don't know anything about the subject being discussed, stay out. You seem to have a knack for sticking your nose into things you know nothing about and then making yourself look like a buttface. Do some research nextime before you write.

charlie m
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charlie m 11/29/12 - 12:03 pm
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Purposed & Factchekr

Great letter. Ditto. Two thumbs up.

OkeyDokey
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OkeyDokey 11/29/12 - 02:19 pm
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Charlie, who peed on your

Charlie, who peed on your cornflakes this morning?

I thought it was a fair question. Have the seats for either of these positions been challenged in recent years? Why does it make me "look like a buttface" to ask that? In kindergarten, they taught me that the only stupid question is the one you are afraid to ask. So I'm asking. When I form an opinion, I want to have information upon which to support it.

And, I also think it's a valid point to consider that every time you combine 2 positions into 1 in any company, you end up with 1 displaced person. Does the benefit to efficiency outweigh the burden of 1 more unemployed person? Sometimes yes, sometimes no. It has to be considered to be responsible.

You are a cranky old guy with some type of ax to grind with me it seems, and you don't even know me.

charlie m
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charlie m 11/29/12 - 02:54 pm
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Okey Donkey

If you were the least bit concerned about this article, you would have known the answers to your question 2 years ago as it has been topic of discussion for quite some time now. Consequently, no need to ask stupid questions or any questions about this subject as far as that goes. You would also know that they combined two positions into one already and then re-hired the person who lost the election. Nobody lost any job. Net gain-zero. Now stop playing games with this website. You are right. I don't even know you, but the ax to grind comes when you continually make idiotic posts to this site. You wear on people very fast. In the future, think first-type second. It works great. I even try it once in a while. If you are new to the CWC area, please accept my apologies as I should not expect you to know this information from the recent past.

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sadiemarriedlady 11/29/12 - 02:59 pm
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okey

"Does the benefit to efficiency outweigh the burden of 1 more unemployed person?" Yes, especially if that person
is paid with taxpayer funds. That is how it would be in the
private sector. I would think the job of the commissioners is
to be responsible to the taxpayers, not to employ people.

Of course, that is my opinion.

charlie m
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charlie m 11/29/12 - 03:18 pm
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SML

Two thumbs up on that one.

OkeyDokey
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OkeyDokey 11/30/12 - 12:31 pm
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Charlie

Please consider taking your own advice. Your posts drip with venom and distain and negativity. Talk about wearing on people. I believe you are just one of those perpetually unhappy and bitter people.

And no, you don't know me at all. And yes, I am relatively new to the area. I was aware that the positions of the Auditor and Treasurer were combined not long ago. I was not aware that the displaced person had been rehired to a supposedly "new position" (you are inferring it must have been a newly created position at the same salary since you claim there was no net loss, and I don't know so I'll take your word for it).

And, I wasn't suggesting that the County should employ people who do nothing simply to keep them employed. What I was suggesting is that laying off people comes with a financial burden in the way of unemployment benefits and severance pay (sometimes), and also the burden of lost productivity, so what does it cost to lay someone off? That needs to be considered as part of the equation. And it is a question that needs to be asked in private sector jobs AND public sector jobs.

Example, ABCTOWN USA has a factory that makes widgets and that is their primary industry. The town has a service industry, retail industry, government and educational sector all mainly hinging on one major employer. What happens if the market for widgets falls off and the widget factory lays off half it's staff? Well, unemployment rises, and we are left with folks who can no longer support the service and retail industry, so more people are laid off, more businesses close, and more people are out of work. There is less population for the government and education structure to service as people pack up and leave town to find other jobs, so lay offs happen there too, and more people leave. Eventually, there is not enough of anything to support to the town, attract new residents, or entice new business. The town dies. So, any job that allows a person to earn money that they in turn spend to support other local business is a valuable job. So the question of whether to lay someone off or not is not simply a black and white question. There is more to consider. So, for those calling for blood simply because it is a private sector job, it is a reminder that there are real people that this affects and somewhere down the road, the person affected by an unintended consequence may be you.

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OkeyDokey 11/30/12 - 01:02 pm
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Oh, and Charlie, would you

Oh, and Charlie, would you please stop the childish behavior of misspelling my "name"? It make you look like a jerk.

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