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Minnesota ethics board eyes extra lawmaker disclosures

Posted: January 8, 2013 - 1:17pm

ST. PAUL, Minn. (AP) — A Minnesota ethics board is crafting recommendations for expanded economic disclosure requirements for lawmakers amid concern that the current reporting system is too weak to catch conflicts of interest.

The Campaign Finance and Public Disclosure Board authorized the agency's staff Tuesday to draft proposed changes to existing disclosure laws. The recommendations are due by early February. If endorsed, they will head to the Legislature.

Minnesota's part-time legislators and select executive branch officials must disclose limited information about outside income and investment properties. Other states demand a more comprehensive catalog of lawmaker income and investments.

Many legislators simply list their occupation as consultant or self-employed and avoid disclosing who pays them.

Some board members called the law 'deficient,' while others said requiring too much disclosure will discourage qualified people from running.

Copyright 2013 The Associated Press.

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southie11
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southie11 01/08/13 - 03:12 pm
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We all benefit from good

legislation. Pretty hard to determine if a vote is influenced positively or negatively by your employment. So should doctors not vote on health care legislation as they may have a financial benefit in the outcome? Should gas station owners be able to vote to raise or lower gas taxes? Should insurance agents not get to vote on hurricane relief?

Everyone has multiple interests and beliefs that guide their votes. If a corporation pays a legislator for his/her vote through donations, that should be made public. We should know who finances legislators' campaigns, then vote according to what you believe.

I personally am sick of teacher bashing and feel the amount of union support is minuscule compared to other corporations and private businesses. Every legislator has a duty to promote education, not just the retired teachers.

southie11
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southie11 01/08/13 - 03:58 pm
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What positions do they question?

That would be a good discussion for them to have among their membership.

These public employees are maligned on local talk shows and in this paper, especially John. Maybe the show I am thinking of will fade away.

My point was, it is impossible to remove everyone who will benefit from legislation, as we all do. Give an example, if you think what they are doing is illegal or unethical.

It would be good to have thorough disclosures before our lawmakers are elected. Doesn't do much good afterwords.

Fair n Balanced
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Fair n Balanced 01/08/13 - 04:10 pm
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charlie m
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charlie m 01/08/13 - 04:51 pm
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She never learns when to shut up

Would sombody by southie a box of hugh lollipops to put in her mouth, enough to last a few weeks. I'll contribute financially to the lobotomy expense.

Bubba Yumbo
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Bubba Yumbo 01/08/13 - 05:58 pm
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Charlie, why isn't Southie allowed to voice her/his

opinion, but you can spew all manner of disrespectful, rude, and/or inaccurate outbursts (see above) whenever you wish? I was under the impression that everyone is allowed to voice their opinion here. Why not just challenge the writer's views (as opposed to spewing insults)? I'm sure you're a wonderful person in your own way, but you frequently push the boundaries of civil discourse. Does it just make it more interesting for you, interacting in such a manner?

Bubba Yumbo
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Bubba Yumbo 01/08/13 - 06:38 pm
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Back to the topic, MPR did some good investigative

reporting on some conflicts on the part of a couple of GOP legislators (but conflicts plague all parties): http://minnesota.publicradio.org/display/web/2012/12/08/politics/gop-got...

Gottwalt has since resigned, while Hann remains in a leadership position, no doubt mindful of potential conflicts. Voters should hold politicians of all ilks to a high standard regarding conflicts of interest. And there should be a longer waiting period between serving as a politician, and then becoming a lobbyist, to dissuade legislators from using public service as on-the-job training for more lucrative private business, as did Gottwalt.

sadiemarriedlady
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sadiemarriedlady 01/08/13 - 06:44 pm
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Bubba

Charlie is blunt and it seems he doesn't hide behind smooth language.

Is that an attempt at a camouflaged put-down?

That is my contribution to the put-downs.
Ethics and morals were being discussed before things went down hill. When should they not vote on an issue?
A few years ago, my husband and I looked up all the professions of the state reps and senators. At that time,
around 70% on the democrat side had been or were associated with unions, teachers, social service, lawyers.
The Rep. side (minority) were business, farmers,small business owners, and accountants. I don't think a retired teacher should vote on a teacher pension issue.

Bubba Yumbo
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Bubba Yumbo 01/08/13 - 07:43 pm
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If that's your opinion, Sadie

(that Charlie is merely a "blunt" communicator), to each their own. I think blunt, direct speech can also avoid name-calling, disrespectfulness and rudeness. Do you think this supposed "bluntness" is effective in furthering dialogue on the subjects at hand? I'll be blunt: it seems like you're defending bad, disrespecful behavior. And, even though you're friendly with each other on this site, I'm surprised you'd make excuses for Charlie regarding this (as you're a fairly respectful communicator, who isn't on this site to wow us with "shock and awe" commentary).

Is C.M. allowed to talk trash like that? -- sure, as long as there's no swearing or threats of violence, or whatever else the Dispatch deletes. But why do we put up with it? Would we talk that way to each other if we were face to face? If not, why is it acceptable here? Bluntness can sometimes add necessary clarity -- it has some redeeming value. Rudeness, disrespect and name-calling do not have redeeming value, and have no place on this site, imo. (What is "smooth" language, by the way?)

charlie m
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charlie m 01/08/13 - 10:34 pm
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Hey Gumbo

Smooth language is what you get when you communicate with me in an intelligent manner. (ex. SML, OFB, FNB, Tricia, and the list goes on). When you use low level intelligence to try and convince people that you know something, that's what you get back, rude low level intelligence. (ex. DFLers, and the list stops here). Very seldom do I step outside the guidelines of this site. When I do, I have had articles pulled. Because you do not use the limits of this site to your advantage doesn't make me bad. Those that support me on this site, do so with intelligence. Don't try telling my supporters anything different as they all know who you are and if I am evil, I am the better of the two, you or me. You say-why do we put up with it? You don't have any choice if you want to use this site and I am within the guidelines. You say-would we talk that way to each other if we were face to face?If talking to people like you, yes. If you haven't noticed yet, my supporters on this site all have a degree of intelligence far superior to you. Sorry babycakes but that's the way the cookie crumbles. You can always boycott this site. It doesn't belong to you anyway. You just got to comfortable with it when the libs at the BDD ran roughshod over the local citizens. We now have respectable leadership at the BDD and you'll have to live with it. Peace Brother.

Fair n Balanced
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Fair n Balanced 01/08/13 - 10:58 pm
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You ain't gonna

wrassle her down and take her camera away too, are ya chuck?

Fair n Balanced
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Fair n Balanced 01/08/13 - 10:58 pm
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Yuh

should!

charlie m
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charlie m 01/08/13 - 11:13 pm
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Hey FNB

Only if it's used to violate my legal rights. Cameras are good things when used properly. I use mine for wildlife photography.

Scribbles
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Scribbles 01/08/13 - 11:26 pm
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Bubba Yumbo
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Bubba Yumbo 01/08/13 - 11:54 pm
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Charlie, Charlie, Charlie . . .

Charlie, Charlie, Charlie. What's scary is that you actually believe what you just wrote is true.

Fair n Balanced
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Fair n Balanced 01/09/13 - 12:06 am
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So scribbles,

when you Lefters say lies that spoil my peace and harmony I can call the cops on you? SWEET!

Fair n Balanced
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Fair n Balanced 01/09/13 - 12:24 am
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At least he never

posted gross pictures of himself after he photo-shopped his hair color and taking 25 lbs. off.
That was bad, but Predictable from you!

Stop Making That Noise
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Stop Making That Noise 01/09/13 - 05:43 am
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Charlie is the man

When I read what the others had to read, I said to myself, like the kids do now-a-days, "char lie you da man!"

When the democrat party and they're agenda take over, it can only mean 1) gay's get married 2) birth control for more promiscuteness 3) tax them with jobs to give welfare and food stamps to them what's won't work like baby machines and they're so-called "baby daddies" good work if you can get it.

But what the socialist Kenyan democrat party won't do is take away are guns! DO NOT TAKE MY GUN! This is a right to Christian America given in scripture and the constitution. So let's not stains for the lib's in st Paul doing nothing of the sort!

The safest legislatures in the world are the ones when they carry. More respect if you know them's around you are armed with they're weaponry. Just saying!

SMTN
Aitkin

lou
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lou 01/09/13 - 08:00 am
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How much does an ethical

How much does an ethical board member get paid and may I have a job?

stevebusch
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stevebusch 01/09/13 - 09:13 am
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Southie, is your hubbie a

Southie, is your hubbie a teacher just like every other teacher and therefore to be judgeded and paid just like every other teacher or can he make his own case for continued employment or even a raise, do his students score better and show steady improvement? If so, he shouldn't need or want a union.He should put those union dues in an IRA.Best wishes to you both for a happy and productive new year. Love to all - Steve

charlie m
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charlie m 01/09/13 - 09:16 am
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Eyolf

How did I achieve such stratospheric levels of intelligence. First of all, you don't even need to get out of this atmosphere to be more intelligent than you, to say nothing about the stratosphere. Second, I'll share my secret with you if you promise not to tell anyone else. My level of intelligence, which is not extraordinary, was achieved years ago by listening to others and absorbing it and, unlike you, keeping my mouth shut. I now feel I have the intelligence to more than satisfactorily communicate with people like you. Being seen and not heard in my younger years helped a lot. Since it is to late for you to accomplish this, I suggest you read and absorb as much as possible and perhaps you can serve society with a degree of intelligence similar to mine, in your later years. By the way, unlike you, I still learn things every day from other posters on here that share a level of intelligence equal to or above me. There, now you know the secret. Hopefully you will learn from it. Share your intelligence with pride. If you have little intelligence, I guess you'll have to hide behind pseudo names like "eyolf." I use my real name, have nothing to hide, and am proud of it. If I make a mistake, I don't hide it. I have made plenty of them and I use that as a learning experience. Admit your wrongs and learn from them. Don't hide behind false names. I hope this helps you. May God guide you as you move forward in life.

charlie m
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charlie m 01/09/13 - 09:45 am
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Hey OFB and other interested posters.

Read and comprehend the first four words in stevebusch post above. Hmmm.

lou
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lou 01/09/13 - 10:42 am
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Wow

Wow, two thumbs down for looking for work, to bad I'm not young enough to collect the welfare you all talk about! I am willing to bet that people in congress make more then people on S.S.!

sadiemarriedlady
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sadiemarriedlady 01/09/13 - 10:59 am
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Wow part 2

Lots of B.S. going around.

Moral superiority is the belief or attitude that one's position and actions are justified by having higher moral values than one's opponent.

Superiority complex is when the moral superiority is a psychological reaction to insecurity and self-doubt.

Bubba Yumbo
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Bubba Yumbo 01/09/13 - 04:52 pm
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Charlie, Charlie, Charlie

Charlie, Charlie, Charlie. What's scary is that you actually believe what you just wrote is true. Thanks for the constant ironic comedy routine. (Do you spew foul and rude put-downs on the radio, too, or are we just blessed with your rare combination of genius and bad manners in these posts?)

I guess if you were the bumbling, rude "genius" who spewed nastiness from "my side" of the political discussion, I might also give you a grudging "thumbs up", while shaking my head at your constant sophomoric antics and delusional view of yourself. Peace to you, too, "Brother".

Sadie: Thanks for the "smooth language" (dictionary? Handbook for Clinical Health Psychology?). What is "smooth" language, by the way?

Isn't the presumption on an opinion board that those expressing their opinions have some basis for their belief (religious, Constitutional, biological ...). If we're thinking and thoughtful people (which you are, and I presume you think you are), expressing our views in good faith, we hope we have a moral or intellectual basis for our statements/beliefs, don't we? (I recall many thoughtful opinions from you -- with strong religious undertones -- regarding marriage amendment, for example.) For me, the question here is simple (although apparently the answer is not): is it fair and reasonable to expect that folks treat each other with respect when communicating differences on this site? And everyone loves a witty or comedic come-back -- those are fair game. But can't even those adhere to a degree of respectfulness? Many of us are capable of writing a retort back to Charlie with his same "style" and degree of disrespect, but should we? Charlie suggests we don't "use the limits of this (comment) site to our advantage", as does he. Should we all get down in the mud and push the limits of what the Dispatch will allow? We could have our own little Jerry Springer-type free-for-all, right here in Central MN! Woo-hoo! As an exercise, I'd be happy to write a different version of a response to Charlie's posts, above. I assure you -- the moderator would be called upon if I did so.

sadiemarriedlady
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sadiemarriedlady 01/09/13 - 05:53 pm
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B.Y.

I think we should just be ourselves and be honest about our opinions. We don't know each other so, can't appeal to a
higher standard of discourse or, I should say, it seems to be
near impossible. I do appreciate your trying.

I made up "smooth language" but, I could have written
intellectually ambiguous, uncertain, vague, obscure, dubious, or deceptive. Just toying with words for my personal entertainment.

I also try to adhere to the "pick your battles" idea which has
served me well in life.

charlie m
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charlie m 01/09/13 - 05:54 pm
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Eyolf-mirth and jocundity

Hey eyolf, read the last sentence in your post above and then try and talk respect to the rest of us. You are a two face blabbermouth. First of all, two libs at the BDD were given written reprimands in their personnel files for falsely publishing that information. Just ask Mikey O and Denny, the cyber monkey. Second, your only source of information was another loose lip flapper, southie. Third, I have never bragged about it. I'm not proud of it but given the same circumstances, I would do it again. Fourth, this wasn't a little old woman and little girl. They were punk plants by the DFL, little johnnie and crew. I wonder how many points johnnie gave them for there efforts. They caused a lot of problems for themselves just to help a couple punk dems (little johnnie and ricky). You want the truth, just ask Elain and Karen, the perpetrators. You'll have to use a cell phone because it's long distance to Milaca. Loose lip southie can hook you up with them. Now, oh holy one, you want people to respect you. It will be a cold day in hell. What goes around, comes around. Your best bet is to pick up your toys and go home or over to southies sand box. You'll never find respect on here as long as you keep writing like that. You have made your own bed on here with most of the posters so now you have to sleep in it.

Bubba Yumbo
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Bubba Yumbo 01/09/13 - 10:04 pm
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Thanks, Sadie

I agree with your "pick your battles" strategy. In fact, that's why I was a little surprised that you chose to weigh-in on Charlie's antics, seemingly writing them off as "boys will be boys". I apologize if I misunderstood your comment as making excuses for him.

I still think one of the more important "battles" to take on is civil discourse (when it comes to ground rules for discussing controversial issues). It may, indeed, be peeing in the wind to try to take on the topic.

pickle
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pickle 01/10/13 - 04:16 am
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eyolf

Yea you learned a lot this this last 4 years The slowest recovery ever, more people on government asst. than ever, more people given up hope,health ins. cost more than double, gas highest ever (price per gallon w/ price per barrel ), But Obama said he has no problem with $5.00 a gallon. ECT.

pickle
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pickle 01/10/13 - 04:18 am
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So

Why did you vote for him???

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