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Rep. Walz 'deeply disappointed' with NRA proposal

Posted: December 21, 2012 - 3:31pm

MINNEAPOLIS (AP) — A Minnesota congressman who gets high marks from the National Rifle Association said he was dismayed with the gun lobby's proposal Friday to station armed police officers in every school across America, saying it would turn schools into armed camps.

Rep. Tim Walz, a former teacher and National Guard veteran, considers himself a staunch defender of the Second Amendment and gets straight A's from the NRA for his support on gun-rights issues. But the Democrat from Mankato said he has been rethinking his opposition to a ban on assault-style weapons and believes the country needs an open discussion about gun violence.

He told reporters during a conference call he was "deeply disappointed" by NRA chief lobbyist Wayne LaPierre's comments at a Washington news conference about last week's shooting rampage that killed 20 children and six educators at a Connecticut elementary school.

"I reject his pessimistic world view," said Walz, who taught geography and coached football at Mankato West High School before he was elected to Congress. "I refuse to believe that our schools have to become armed encampments where our children don't feel safe."

The NRA plan also drew flak from other Minnesota Democrats and leaders of the state's main teachers' union, Education Minnesota.

"No legal organization in America is more responsible than the NRA for lobbying to ensure the proliferation of killer guns while denying law enforcement tools to stop killers," Rep. Betty McCollum, whose district includes St. Paul, said in a statement. "Wayne LaPierre's call for guards and guns in every school building and playground is madness and a perverse vision for life in America."

Among Minnesota Republicans, Rep. Michele Bachman declined an interview. Rep. Erik Paulsen's spokesman did not immediately return messages seeking comment.

The dean of Minnesota's congressional delegation, Rep. Collin Peterson, who like Walz is an NRA-endorsed rural Democrat, was traveling and not immediately available, his spokeswoman said.

Walz noted that LaPierre took no questions at his news conference, calling it "a very odd way to start a national conversation."

The congressman also thought it was ironic that the NRA proposed an expensive new idea one day after efforts to avoid the automatic tax increases and spending cuts known as the "fiscal cliff" stalled out amid GOP disarray in the House.

Math teacher Julie Blaha said it seems like the NRA is coming up with ideas without speaking first with school administrators, teachers and people who specialize in school security — the people who would be among the most affected by the NRA's proposal.

Blaha, president of Education Minnesota's local affiliate for the state's largest school district — Anoka-Hennepin, in suburban Minneapolis — said the NRA should spend some time in schools before suggesting how to fix them.

"Their focus is on security and threats. Our focus is on building good relationships. Making sure that our students have the support and resources that they need," she said.

Blaha pointed out that there are more than 2,500 schools in Minnesota, so putting an armed police officer at each one would be prohibitively expensive.

"I do understand reactions like this to violence," she said. "It's tempting to grab a quick fix to feel safe again. It really is.

"But if we want to make a long-term preventative impact, let's look at adding a counselor, a school psychologist or a social worker to every school. Let's increase the number of community therapists available to our kids," she added. "Adding more mental health professionals to our schools will not only help us in these one in a million situations, but help us in the 999,000 others too."

St. Paul Mayor Chris Coleman also criticized the NRA's plan. The Democrat said the debate needs to include a ban on assault-style weapons and high-capacity ammunition clips, a better background check system, tougher penalties for illegal gun trafficking and outlawing "cop-killer" bullets.

"None of these solutions were offered by the NRA today, which means they've proven they have no interest in being part of this conversation that stops crimes like this from happening again," Coleman said in a statement.

Blaha was encouraged about one thing from the NRA's proposal: "I'm glad they didn't say anything about arming teachers," she said.

Copyright 2012 The Associated Press.

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Perpetuity
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Perpetuity 12/21/12 - 05:01 pm
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Interesting, if it had been proposed by a Democrat

it would have been the best suggestion ever made, right?

sadiemarriedlady
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sadiemarriedlady 12/21/12 - 07:33 pm
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Let's face it, no matter what

Let's face it, no matter what NRA said, it would be wrong.

Being many schools already have something similar,
why are they complaining?

I like a trained principal or teacher armed and no one
knowing who it is like the marshalls on airplanes.
Some schools already do that.

southie11
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southie11 12/21/12 - 07:34 pm
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True.

"Math teacher Julie Blaha said it seems like the NRA is coming up with ideas without speaking first with school administrators, teachers and people who specialize in school security — the people who would be among the most affected by the NRA's proposal."

The NRA knows best...now go buy up all the guns available and give dealers their highest annual profit ever.

Merry Christmas!

graydo
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graydo 12/21/12 - 10:02 pm
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That's fair, I was very

That's fair, I was very disappointed in Rep Walz. I guess we're all even.

Fair n Balanced
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Fair n Balanced 12/21/12 - 11:58 pm
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Ain't it the

truth, mav.

Scribbles
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Scribbles 12/22/12 - 01:04 am
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Assault Rifles, when disassembled, make great...

Wood Turners and Kindling...
Recycle and Reuse...

_______

mav7770
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mav7770 12/22/12 - 02:14 am
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Scribbles,

This will educate you on what an "Assault" weapon or Semi-auto rifle is...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W8YuPPWuGW8

Scribbles
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Scribbles 12/22/12 - 02:59 am
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Scribbles
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Scribbles 12/22/12 - 03:06 am
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A 30 or more clip of ammunition...IS NOT...

A second amendment right...
Last time I read the Constitution, that wasn't defined or referenced...

dutchman7
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dutchman7 12/22/12 - 03:28 am
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Life not Perfect...Gunning Down First Graders...

The Subject will cause shock...
Background...
A single person...A disturbed and troubled person...
As a Nation, however, life goes on...
One wart does not mean the entire Nation is soiled...
WE ARE, a Nation of Decent folks...
Step back, and reflect...

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minnducker 12/22/12 - 06:40 am
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A real good idea

The NRA suggestion is actually a real good idea. There are armed guards in many places in our society. Some examples are banks, TSA airport security security etc.. Isn't protecting elementary school children as important as those things ?? Of course it is, it is far more important. The objections to this are purely political. Saying that placing police officers or armed guards at every school is too expensive is laughable when you consider what is already being spent for staff at our public schools, and how can you and put a price on saving children's lives. I haven't heard any polticians lamenting the costs associated with additional gun control law enforcement or registration. The comment about schools becoming ".. armed campuses where children don't feel safe." is backwards; the children don't feel safe now because there is no on-site security people to protect against the evil crazies. Liberals simply do not like the NRA, or guns. They want to use this tradgedy to further their agenda against guns, and this is a higher priority for them than actually protecting the children which this prooposal would do immediately the day the guards started work. Nowadays, since many schools are "gun free" zones, an evil mass-murderer knows they won't encounter any resistance at all if they carry out their mission. The opposite should be the case, It's common sense folks.

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muehlbau 12/22/12 - 08:04 am
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Maybe just taking down the "Gun Free Zone" signs would help...

...it seems these murderers are attracted to them.

eyolf
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eyolf 12/22/12 - 08:48 am
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Galt, maybe you can answer this question:

What do you think we should do as a national response to this situation?

It looks like you might be saying:

"Nothing...man up, and accept that we're going to lose some here and there"

So you're fearful that some rights might be surrendered. Do you really want to make the argument about the choice between 30 round clips and weapons that aren't all that useful for hunting...and the safety of children?

We're just coming off a pretty big national election, and none of us believe in our heart of hearts that it was about anything but taking the national temperature, about a candidate who may be a little bit of a bumbler, but is a warm-hearted bumbler, opposed to a rather cold, lifeless "accountant".

Sabre-rattling to energize a shrinking cohort in a civil society dependant on political power is a losing plan. Cold and heartless isn't winning right now.

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sadiemarriedlady 12/22/12 - 09:18 am
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"Gun free zone signs" in

"Gun free zone signs" in front of schools and other buildings does invite the crazies to shoot there. Look at the places
where the shootings take place. I could be wrong but, I think
the CO theater guy went to two theaters first but, this one had
that sign up.
Who is responsible for the security of schools? Principals,
teachers and security personnel I would think are the ones and there are still school shootings. We need to dig deeper
into the bench. There currently are schools who have armed
a principal or teacher or both and no one knows who it is.
Schools that are in out state districts that are far from the
police, are doing this. It should be up to each school
district as a city would take different steps than a out state district. We do know many big city schools like Chicago, Detroit already have security measures.

eyolf
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eyolf 12/22/12 - 09:20 am
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Answer this, then:

Why does Finland, who have the next closest number of events like this, have (even per capita) less than 1/5 the number of such events?

Finland has somewhat permissive gun ownership laws by European standards. I'm suggesting that it isn't the presence of absence of weapons, but something else. And a great slice of the American public doesn't really want to become like a third-world muslim nation with constant gunfire.

Your side isn't acknowledging political reality. When you demand we accept constant violence and gunfire, we'll lose even more than a few banana clips and requirements to keep weapons secure when not in use.

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southie11 12/22/12 - 09:35 am
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These young male shooters are really cowards.

They wouldn't go into a crowded school or theater without lots of power. And then they kill themselves before a confrontation with authority. They would probably be found insane if they ever got to a court of law.

Few banks have guards now. A school police presence or armed guards would be good. We already have that in many schools. And we should make school entrances more secure.

Eyolf...the Norwegian mass murder and reaction by the Norwegians is worth studying. It is very rare to have such violence in Scandinavia.

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sadiemarriedlady 12/22/12 - 10:04 am
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We think differently

The way that I see it is that people's brains work differently.
Some people are capable of seeing the "unintended consequences" and some aren't . There are usually
unintended consequences to knee-jerk decisions.

That doesn't mean that you do nothing about a problem
but, these shootings are a big problem that has grown
worse when someone shoots little ones.

It's a big puzzle with many pieces. What has been done is not working.

eyolf
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eyolf 12/22/12 - 10:06 am
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You're evading the point, Galt.

I'll put in the form of a question:

why is violence the preferred lifestyle (a shrinking number of us)?

As we become more and more "civilized" we tend to view violence with more and more disgust, fear, and anger. Your POV is that we're always going to have violent people, people incapable of controlling themselves. The only response is more violence.

Some of us question if that is the only mindset possible, and even question of there is something wrong with people that choose violence first...whether proactively or as a response.

We're lumping you together as "violence lovers"...and your political power is waning. Will you go out in a blaze of glory?

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lendad 12/22/12 - 10:22 am
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So what's next ???

... armed guards, armed teachers, why not arm our students ?? Does anyone see the idiocy of adding fuel to the fire by escalating gun usage? All Tim Walz appears to be advocating is an open-minded consideration of all elements that may contribute to this epidemic of school violence - laying everything on the table for review. This gun-owning conservative supports Walz's view.

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eyolf 12/22/12 - 10:24 am
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Mental illness

Because maybe we are mentally ill as a nation. It's a thought that deserves attention in my book.

Why are we more violent than most other people? Why do we focus on how violent the Muslim world is? Do we instinctively "understand" them...is that why we are fearful of them?

Respond or not, as you choose. I'm leaving for a little while.

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Stop Making That Noise 12/22/12 - 10:28 am
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It's not the bullets or gun, stupid

When I read what the others had to read, I said to myself, "it's not the bullets or gun, stupids". People and writing likes its the bullets that kill or does the damage. Like a gun has a mind of "it's" own! It is the criminal and if he had no gun he would just use a rocket launcher or rocks or knifes or maybe a crossbow. How are you going to stop a crossbow and then if it kills, is it the arrow's fault?

These pot smoking freeloading hippie freeks from the democrat party and they're agenda need to get jobs and stop suckling at the public trough. They will then see that Tim walz is crazy and we need the second amendment to protect us and our weaponry!

SMTN
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Myeye08 12/22/12 - 10:58 am
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Barricades, fences, barbed wire and armed guards..

If our schools were surrounded with barricades, fences, barbed wire and armed guards that still wouldn't keep our children safe from someone trying to create "their moment in time."

Our country can't protect our foreign ambassadors from rag tag zealots or free our inner city neighborhoods from illegally armed thugs and yet the talking heads solutions is to either arm our schools or ban our right to defend our self from our aggressors. I think, in this case, the dog is barking up the wrong tree.

BTW, any of the fact checkers have the body count in Chicago alone this week? Get my point???

eyolf
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eyolf 12/22/12 - 11:04 am
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I think you made my point, STMN.

"our weaponry"

Really?

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captron 12/23/12 - 08:47 am
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Wayne LaPierre is Crazy- See for yourself on Sun Meet the Press

Wait for waynes answer to the question " Why didnt the armed trained police/guards @ the Red Lake MN HS ,& Columbine CO school shootings fail to stop the gunmen that killed so many , and since almost 1/3 of US schools already have on site armed police protection , Wayne would you like to rethink your great idea ? "

Waynes gun lobby that supports the "Industry" said similar LIES shortly after VA Tech shooting , golly gee whiz guess how many FULL time ARMED policemen patrol that college campus ?

Note to you Dodge City Kansas residents , when you drag a weapon out and point it any direction , when the real actual trained law enforcement " Good Guys" show up , its hard for them to determine if your a "bad guy" or just a do gooder in the line of friendly fire....

Fair n Balanced
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Fair n Balanced 12/22/12 - 11:07 am
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eyolf's video

was probably one of his home videos from his childhood. Now I understand his fear.

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lendad 12/22/12 - 11:19 am
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SMTN ?!?!?

"pot smoking freeloading hippie freeks", you mean you and your buds from "Aitken" ?? Go back to your crumbling porch, you know, the one with the three hounds underneath. The rest of us need only fail safe birth control laws to protect us from you and your kin.

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