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Appointed or elected? Crow Wing County considers elminating elected positions

Resolution expected on Dec. 31 agenda

Posted: December 12, 2012 - 10:30pm

Crow Wing County could join other Minnesota counties seeking special legislation to eliminate elected positions.

Crow Wing County Administrator Tim Houle previously suggested ending two elected posts — auditor-treasurer and recorder — in county reorganization.

A super majority, 80 percent, of the county board is needed to adopt the resolution.

“If two of you are opposed it’s not worth it because it’s not going to pass here,” Houle told commissioners Tuesday as he noted there may be an opportunity to join other counties interested in the same legislation. Houle said there are 10 counties, including Crow Wing, expressing interest in seeking special legislation. “The right to vote for an elected office that’s a rather sacred right and we have sent soldiers far afield in this world to fight and defend our ability to preserve this democracy and that’s a sacred, sacred thing,” Houle said. “But voting for everything isn’t sacred. If it were, then we ought to elect all county employees.”

Houle said if voting was sacred, then perhaps all the department heads should be elected.

“Then we might not need you,” Houle told the board members. “When is voting a sacred thing? It’s a fair question.”

Houle said he thinks elected officials should be those with significant policy discretion separate from the county board like the sheriff or the county attorney.

County Recorder Kathy Ludenia said Houle is not simply proposing to make elected officials appointed ones, but is proposing to eliminate the auditor-treasurer and recorder. Houle said the work would continue but the board has flexibility in how to do that. People may have different job titles as the assessor became a Land Services supervisor for property valuation and classification. Houle said he’d argue making sure the duties are done is more important than the job title.

Houle’s plan divides the auditor-treasurer’s office into other departments.

“I find it interesting that we went from being elected being a ‘silly little argument’ to it being a sanctified right in an election,” Auditor-Treasurer Laureen Borden said, quoting an earlier comment by Houle characterizing the elected versus appointed debate. “You give a very strong and persuasive speech, Mr. Houle. You’ve almost persuaded me even that it would be really nice to be appointed because then you wouldn’t have to go out and ask the public for votes. You wouldn’t have to go out and see what the public is thinking.

“... But I think it’s a very, very important thing to have these offices elected.”

Borden said her office has been working for the last two years to integrate the auditor and treasurer duties and now to split it into fragments didn’t seem workable. Being an elected official brings rights and responsibilities to the taxpayers, Borden said. “Not to the administrator, but to the taxpayers of the county and the commissioners who set our budget. If being appointed is such a great thing it makes you wonder why the commissioners aren’t appointed by the governor.”

Borden urged commissioners to talk to the people who elected them before they propose the resolution. Borden said a lot of people believe in the elected process and the ability to elect who serves in office. Commissioner Paul Thiede remarked the nation is not a democracy but is a republic and some of the practices that served in the past may be changing. Thiede said there was a better case in previous times for auditor-treasurer and recorder to be elected because the people didn’t have multiple venues to access information.

Paul Koering, who won the November election and will take over the District 1 seat from Phil Trusty in early January, said he understood the county has to keep moving forward. But Koering said he was concerned a lot of big decisions were being made before he was sworn into office.

One issue Koering ran on was being a no vote for a new Law Enforcement Center (LEC). On the elimination of the elected officials, he hasn’t made up his mind. Trusty praised Koering for attending the meetings as preparation for serving but said he found it concerning Koering would tell people how he’d vote before he knew he’d be in office.

Commissioner Rachel Reabe Nystrom asked Koering if, after he lost his senate seat, he invited his replacement to weigh in on issues. Koering replied he did not.

As far as eliminating the elected offices, Nystrom said it will be interesting to hear from constituents. Nystrom noted it’s rocky to change but the combined auditor-treasurer’s office seems to be working well.

Houle contacted the Association of Minnesota Counties and found 23 counties out of 87 counties have some appointed officers, including Hennepin, Cass and Olmsted counties. Houle listed a few counties, including Pipestone, Big Stone and Koochiching, where voters defeated measures to change officials from elected to appointed posts.

A reverse referendum gives the people a chance to change the measure. If 10 percent of the registered voters of the county sign a petition, the question would go to regular or special election. If no petition is received, the board’s decision for the change would go into effect. If the petition sends the question to an election, the people vote it up or down.

On Dec. 31, state legislators will be visiting the board. Houle said if commissioners want to ask for special legislation, that will be the time to do it. Thiede wanted the resolution put on the Dec. 31 agenda, noting that gives the public time to comment.

“It’s going to be very interesting, I think, to hear from our constituents,” Nystrom said. “I would not venture a guess at this point what the constituents are going to say about this ... Whether this would be embraced or you know rejected remains to be seen.”

RENEE RICHARDSON, senior reporter, may be reached at 855-5852 or renee.richardson@brainerddispatch.com. Follow on Twitter at www.twitter.com/Dispatchbizbuzz.

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fishhead
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fishhead 12/13/12 - 07:45 am
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Don't silence us!

I don't trust them to appoint the most qualified people.

It's too much opportunity for cronyism or to appoint the "right people" who will scratch their back.

I vote no while I still can.

stevebusch
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stevebusch 12/13/12 - 08:53 am
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Too much power.

The County Flatulator should continue to be an elected position. best filled by a Dem... Too much power to be appointed.

walleyeguy99
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walleyeguy99 12/13/12 - 09:23 am
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Does it make sense

One question, is that does it really make sense to have essentially your CFO (Auditor/Treasurer) of your organization, whether you are a government entity or a business come down to a popularity contest (i.e. an ellection). The A/T position is not a policy making position, so what bearing does it being elected really have?

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star1 12/13/12 - 09:31 am
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Koering

Why is Koering being criticized for attending meeting and voicing his conserns. Nothing wrong with being informed before you take over. Do not take the people's vote away from them. The county has enough control I want to have a say also in the local positions.

charlie m
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charlie m 12/13/12 - 10:02 am
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Fishhead

Cronyism is a result of elections, not appointments. Appointments can be changed at anytime, barring the interferance of unions. Elections can only be changed at election time. .

charlie m
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charlie m 12/13/12 - 10:03 am
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Stevebusch

Your lips interferred with your brain again.

charlie m
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charlie m 12/13/12 - 10:05 am
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Walley Guy 99

Right on. Two thunbs up.

charlie m
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charlie m 12/13/12 - 10:10 am
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Koering

Koering can attend any meeting he wants but until he takes office, it would be wise for him to be seen and not heard. He has no say in decisions at this time other than his personal opinion as a citizen.

charlie m
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charlie m 12/13/12 - 10:10 am
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Koering

Koering can attend any meeting he wants but until he takes office, it would be wise for him to be seen and not heard. He has no say in decisions at this time other than his personal opinion as a citizen.

charlie m
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charlie m 12/13/12 - 10:47 am
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Purposed

Thanks. Jittery finger this morning. Been working on something that might help us all. Talk to OFB. He can fill you in. Sorry about the double post. I think not enough coffee. LOL

boscoe
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boscoe 12/13/12 - 10:48 am
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elections

Once again if you take away the right to elect an office of the county, you then reestablish the good old boys club of Brainerd/Crow Wing County Board who appoints theirs pals to whatever position is open.

charlie m
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charlie m 12/13/12 - 10:57 am
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Has anyone noticed

Has anyone noticed that the "Recent Comments" column has been disappearing all at once lately and a completely new column showing up rather than new comments being added on a rolling basis as in the past. Somebody has to much time on his hands and keeps messing with this site. Maybe if he messes with it enough, the conservatives will abandon it and he ahd his fellow libs will have it back to themselves again. There has certainly been enough jacking around with this cite since the elections. I think it's time for a new cyber cop at the BDD. The current one is too biased and doesn't know what's good for him.

charlie m
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charlie m 12/13/12 - 11:03 am
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Hey Boscoe

In case you haven't noticed, there is more than one county commissioner in CWC, thus a system of checks and balances. Not much chance of appointing your pals. You lose this one. Welcome aboard.

southie11
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southie11 12/13/12 - 11:10 am
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Trusty lost. Go quietly unto the night.

Rachael zinged him there with a reminder that Koering wasn't looking for his advice.

I already like Paul. He will fight for his beliefs, and he was smart to run on his ideas, so the public knew where he would stand.

Trusty...enjoy your retirement from public life.

charlie m
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charlie m 12/13/12 - 11:16 am
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Hey Purposed

How can I make a double post - identical - and one has three thumbs up and two thumbs down and the other one has two thumbs up and one thumb down. Again, the cyber cop has got to go. His bias is so heavy he can't keep on top of everything. He's messing with so many people and so much stuff that he can't keep up. Ya Think. Merry Christmas/Happy Holidays or whatever to you and yours. s/s Charlie

charlie m
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charlie m 12/13/12 - 11:24 am
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Southie Says

I already like Paul (Koering). Now why would southie like a Republican. Must be another reason.

sadiemarriedlady
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sadiemarriedlady 12/13/12 - 12:26 pm
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Merry Christmas

I heard Koering on the radio and I think I heard him say that
he was an Independent.

I think well, I hope, that he will do a good job.
The other position of Senate may have been where
he reached his maximum capacity.

charlie m
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charlie m 12/13/12 - 01:17 pm
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Purposed & SML

Help me out here. Is southie a man or a woman? Also SML, koering isn't an independent or a republican or a democrat. He is whatever it takes to get paul (better known as "polyester") elected. He might be alright??????? How do you judge a guy that owns a liquor store, drives a hearse and??????? Hmmmmm!

sadiemarriedlady
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sadiemarriedlady 12/13/12 - 01:36 pm
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Charlie

You got me there. He seems to be wishy washy and without a backbone or true belief system.

My point is that he may be alright in this position rather thatn
the Senate as that was "over his head'. This is my opinion
that the Senate was a challenge for him.

This county job may be more a match. Notice that I didn't say "service", I said job.

charlie m
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charlie m 12/13/12 - 02:10 pm
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Oh Well

Let's give him a chance. He'll soon blow it. Speaking about fishing, I got the hole chiseled out in my spearhouse this morning. Gonna give it a whirl this afternoon. By the way, hey southie, give us a clue (male or female or). Don't keep us guessing. We might guess wrong.

stevebusch
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stevebusch 12/13/12 - 02:27 pm
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"Is southie a man or a

"Is southie a man or a woman?"

Yes.

charlie m
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charlie m 12/13/12 - 02:50 pm
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Purposed-Fishing

Caught a 7# 11 oz northern on a tip up when the ice first formed but just got the spearhouse out and ready today. Got 8-10 inches of ice. I'm gonna try it later this afternoon. Will let you know about the spearing luck this evening. Been filling daily on sunnies and a few crappies. Deep water-suspended about 3 feet off bottom in 18 feet. We don't like to many panfish so I spear mostly. I live on a private lake so not to many people out here. No public access. Just friends and neighbors. Maybe we should have a daily or weekly fishing report on here. Ah-It would probably get pulled by the cyber cop.

charlie m
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charlie m 12/13/12 - 02:57 pm
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Where's snowda

There's been a lot of new names on here lately. Do you suppose. Nah, not snowda, earthy lady, marsbars etc. I'll bet she's in Arizona with FNB. Ya Think. Nice couple maybe. I just can't believe she's not flapping on here somewhere. I'll bet FNB is probably touring the Grand Canyon with her as we speak. Nice day for it in Arizona.

Fair n Balanced
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Fair n Balanced 12/13/12 - 03:57 pm
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It's too cold at

the GC now. I headed down to Apache Jct. and was roaming the Superstition Wilderness. I left her in the Lost Dutchman Mine with a half doezen DFL rattlesnakes.

frankg
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frankg 12/13/12 - 04:16 pm
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On the other hand....

Perhaps the Crow Wing County Administrator position should become an elected office.

tricia12
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tricia12 12/13/12 - 04:38 pm
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LOL Charlie and FNB! You guys

LOL Charlie and FNB!

You guys crack me up, same with OFB.

sadiemarriedlady
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sadiemarriedlady 12/13/12 - 04:57 pm
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tricia12

Same with me. They crack me up with refreshing sense of humor.

charlie m
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charlie m 12/13/12 - 05:43 pm
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Thanks Ladies

It's to bad the cyber police don't see the humor also. It's a pleasure to keep you both happy. Merry Christmas/Happy Holidays to you and yours.

charlie m
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charlie m 12/13/12 - 05:55 pm
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Purposed-Here Fishy fishy

Got 1 small northern at 3 0'clock. Didn't see anything else. All I had was a decoy today. We'll have live bait to go with it tomorrow. Three more of these guys and we can put together a fresh batch of pickled fish. I'm down to my last quart from last year. I'm starting to like this cold weather again. It seems like a long time between deer hunting and ice fishing. It's tough being a Jackpine Savage for a living. At least I'm not a lib on welfare. Ya suppose we could teach some libs how to live off the land instead of the government. Probably not. That's to much like work. More on the fish tomorrow.

charlie m
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charlie m 12/13/12 - 06:04 pm
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Here Fishy Fishy

Purpose, do you spear fish also or just angling and tip-ups. I've been spearing for over 40 years.

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