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FACT CHECK: Missteps in final presidential debate

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Posted: October 22, 2012 - 10:43pm

WASHINGTON (AP) — Voters didn't always get the straight goods when President Barack Obama and Republican Mitt Romney made their case for foreign policy and national security leadership Monday night before their last super-sized audience of the campaign. A few of their detours into domestic issues were problematic too.

A look at some of their statements and how they compare with the facts:

ROMNEY on Syria: "What I'm afraid of is we've watched over the past year or so, first the president saying, 'Well, we'll let the U.N. deal with it.' And Assad — excuse me, Kofi Annan — came in and said we're going to try to have a cease-fire. That didn't work. Then it went to the Russians and said, 'Let's see if you can do something.' We should be playing the leadership role there."

OBAMA: "We are playing the leadership role."

THE FACTS: Under Obama, the United States has taken a lead in trying to organize Syria's splintered opposition, even if the U.S. isn't interested in military intervention or providing direct arms support to the rebels. The administration has organized dozens of meetings in Turkey and the Middle East aimed at rallying Syria's political groups and rebel formations to agree on a common vision for a democratic future after Syrian President Bashar Assad is defeated. And Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton brought dozens of nations together as part of the Friends of Syria group to combine aid efforts to Syria's opposition and help it win the support of as many as Syrians as possible. The U.S. also is involved in vetting recipients of military aid from America's Arab allies like Saudi Arabia and Qatar.

Romney is partly right in pointing out Obama's failure to win U.N. support for international action in Syria. But the Friends of Syria group has helped bring in hundreds of millions of dollars in humanitarian aid and other forms of assistance to Syrian civilians and the political opposition.

In trying to describe the strategic importance of seeing Assad defeated, Romney stumbled in saying Syria was Iran's "route to the sea." Iran has a large southern coastline with access to the Persian Gulf and the Gulf of Oman. It has no land border with Syria.

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ROMNEY: Said that when he was Massachusetts governor, high-school students who graduated in the top quarter "got a four-year, tuition-free ride at any Massachusetts public institution of higher learning."

OBAMA: "That happened before you came into office."

ROMNEY: "That was actually mine, actually, Mr. President. You got that fact wrong."

THE FACTS: Romney was right. The John and Abigail Adams scholarship program began in 2004 when he was governor.

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ROMNEY: "In the 2000 debates, there was no mention of terrorism."

THE FACTS: There was passing mention of terrorism in the 2000 debates. In the Oct. 17, 2000, debate between Democrat Al Gore and Republican George W. Bush, Gore talked about his work in Congress to "deal with the problems of terrorism and these new weapons of mass destruction." And in the vice presidential debate, Democrat Joe Lieberman defended the Clinton administration's record of preparing the armed forces to "meet the threats of the new generation of tomorrow, of weapons of mass destruction, of ballistic missiles, terrorism, cyber warfare." Romney's larger point, that the U.S. did not anticipate anything on the scale of terrorist threat that existed, is supported by the light attention paid to the subject in the debates.

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OBAMA: "What I would not have had done was left 10,000 troops in Iraq that would tie us down. And that certainly would not help us in the Middle East."

THE FACTS: Obama was suggesting that he had never favored keeping U.S. troops in Iraq beyond the December 2011 withdrawal deadline that the Bush administration had negotiated with the Iraqi government. Actually, the Obama administration tried for many months to win Iraqi agreement to keeping several thousand American troops there beyond 2011 to continue training and advising the Iraqi armed forces. The talks broke down over a disagreement on legal immunity for U.S. troops.

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Associated Press writers Bradley Klapper and Robert Burns contributed to this report.

Copyright 2012 The Associated Press.

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twilight
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twilight 10/23/12 - 08:42 am
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John Sununu, bless his heart, must have

been watching the re-run of the first debate when he announces Mitt was the winner. Must be hard to see your candidate look so weak. All that sweating. He should have had a glass of water like Ryan did.

Then we have some spin from John McCain. He says the president was mean to Mitt. This from the dude who foisted Sara Palin on all of us. Now that was mean.

Is Ryan in Wisconsin campaigning for his House seat yet?

Obama showed us how to deal with tyrants on live TV.

Four more years for Obama-Biden!

Perpetuity
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Perpetuity 10/23/12 - 10:15 am
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Obama makes me sick

with his pissy attitude and quippy little lines. He wont get my vote and he wont get a lot of other votes...just because of his inability to face reality, to be honest, and to admit he failed. Miserably.

Incidentally, your boy had two glasses of water sitting next to him last night, just like former Gov. Romney did. Evidently you "self-edited" the debates in your memory, eh? Or just chose to not notice that?

terrybones
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terrybones 10/23/12 - 10:13 am
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twilight

Did you make the same comment when Joe Biden was running for, and won a Senate seat four years ago? Or is it only ok for libs to run for two offices at once?

twilight
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twilight 10/23/12 - 10:49 am
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Perpetuity

Obama wasn't sweating. That was Mitt.

And it was a debate, not a tea party.

Four years ago I hoped Joe would win his senate seat, too, giving the President another appointee of his own party.

My point is that Ryan needs to go home and campaign for his House seat or face unemployment. And he probably realizes it, too, after last night.

dutchman7
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dutchman7 10/23/12 - 11:16 am
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Related...Misteps...Bachmann...

Gonna be glad on November 7 when some of the political ads stop running...
T minus 2 weeks and counting...
A certain politician distorts facts regularly...
Because it's close to Halloween season...ta da...

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muehlbau
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muehlbau 10/23/12 - 11:40 am
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dean1961
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dean1961 10/23/12 - 07:01 pm
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Hmmm

The Chicago Tribune named one of the campaign ads run by an Obama PAC, as being “in the gutter.” The Tribune goes so far as to ask the president to “lift your campaign, call the ad what it is, a disgrace.” The ad tells us a Mr. Soptic, a steel worker, lost his job in 2001 when Bain Capital closed the plant and then tying Mitt Rommey to the closing. A short time later, Mr. Soptics wife got ill and died. Both her and Mr. Soptic had no health insurance, the ad implies that she died because of that. Next is the truth, as told by the Chicago Tribune in their editorial
When Mr. Soptic was working and after he lost his job, his wife had Insurance with the firm she worked for until 2003. By then Mr. Soptic got a job as a school custodian and could have added his wife to his insurance policy, but he declined to do so for financial reasons. The wife died from cancer in 2006, five years after the steel plant closed. The steel plant was closed two years after Rommey left Bain.

motleylarry
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motleylarry 10/24/12 - 04:53 pm
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dean1961

quit confusing us with facts.

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