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U.S. Rep. Chip Cravaack (left), R-North Branch, makes a point during a debate with Democratic challenger Rick Nolan on Tuesday, Oct. 9, 2012, in Duluth, Minn.

Cravaack, Nolan go beyond TV ads in 1st debate

Posted: October 9, 2012 - 10:59am
AP Photo/Duluth News Tribune
U.S. Rep. Chip Cravaack, left, R-North Branch, listens as Democratic challenger Rick Nolan makes a point during a candidates’ debate in the Duluth Playhouse on Tuesday, Oct. 9, 2012, in Duluth, Minn.

ST. PAUL, Minn. (AP) — After weeks of TV ads focused on Medicare, Republican Rep. Chip Cravaack and Democrat Rick Nolan got into it Tuesday over jobs, regulations and the unpopularity of Congress in their first debate in Minnesota's most watched House race.

The first-term incumbent and Nolan, a former congressman, faced each other before a Duluth audience that had been warned against outbursts, two years after a raucous forum pitting Cravaack against longtime Democratic Rep. Jim Oberstar. The candidates differed sharply on issues such as taxes and regulation, with Nolan calling Cravaack a "big spender" on defense who has neglected domestic priorities such as transportation, and Cravaack saying Nolan represents an "antiquated" style of big government.

Cravaack's re-election bid in the northeastern 8th District so far has drawn more than $4 million in spending by national parties and their allies. Democrats consider the seat a top prospect, while Republicans are defending their man in territory that had long been considered out of their reach.

Nolan accused the current Congress of laziness, saying members don't put in enough hours in Washington and take long recesses back home.

Cravaack hit back by noting that Nolan voted to raise his own pay four times when he served from 1975 to 1981. Cravaack also accused Nolan of missing 30 percent of his votes, a charge that Nolan disputed as "cherry picking."

Nolan said he skipped trivial votes when meeting with constituents but didn't miss the important ones, and claimed Congress worked harder than it does now. He said he needed the raises to stay in Congress and maintain homes in Minnesota and Washington.

"We cast a heck of a lot more votes than your Congress is casting," he said.

"Again, Congressman, you missed 30 percent of your votes," Cravaack said.

"No, I didn't. Stop saying that," Nolan said.

Cravaack accused the Democratic-led Senate of holding up legislation passed by the Republican-controlled House.

"The congressman is half right when he says we have a dysfunctional Congress. We have a functional House," Cravaack said.

When asked how they would help the middle class, Cravaack said an "overbearing" tax code and regulations are keeping small businesses from hiring. Nolan said Cravaack's support of tax breaks hasn't helped small businesses because the middle class is hurting.

"It's not tax breaks — it's demand for your products," he said. "We've got this thing upside down."

On mining, the candidates seemed more in concert. Both agreed on the importance of getting proposed precious metals mines started on the Iron Range.

"I see a future in the 8th District of Minnesota where people are moving here for jobs," said Cravaack, who said he has been pushing to get the Polymet project near Hoyt Lakes going.

Nolan agreed that the permitting process is "long overdue."

But Cravaack challenged Nolan's assertion that environmental regulations create jobs, such as employment for those who make smokestack scrubbers and catalytic converters.

Cravaack also brought up his amendment requiring American steel to be used in federal projects, part of a transportation bill President Obama signed into law in July. Nolan mentioned his endorsement from the United Steelworkers union.

The candidates had a more measured exchange about Medicare compared to the attack lines airing in campaign commercials.

Nolan said Cravaack voted to "end Medicare as we know it," calling the program an entitlement and a "sacred promise" and vowing to eliminate waste to keep it solvent.

Cravaack said the Republican plan would save Medicare from bankruptcy, and anyone over 55 wouldn't see any changes. Those under 55 would be able to pick between subsidies to buy private insurance or a version of the current program. He said doing nothing would be a "dereliction of duty."

As the debate wrapped up, Nolan reached out his hand to Cravaack. They shook.

Copyright 2012 The Associated Press.

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JohnnyJing
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JohnnyJing 10/09/12 - 05:03 pm
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Cravaack better than lightweight Nolan

Cravaack seems to "get it" about our looming dept crisis, national security and the future of our children. Nolan is just a democrat talking point "tax and spend" country club liberal.

JohnnyJing
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JohnnyJing 10/09/12 - 05:09 pm
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Maybe we should call Nolan the "waterboy"

as he carries the water for the DFL party.

Got some quality H2O Rick??

Scribbles
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Scribbles 10/09/12 - 06:14 pm
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Last Time I Checked...

The Race is Here...

Not Here...

Got your geography a little mixed up...

twilight
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twilight 10/09/12 - 07:00 pm
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It would be good for Crow Wing County

to have a hometown boy in DC. He did a terrific job in the debate this morning. He is not a "tax and spend" Democrat. He is fiscally conservative and wants to cut military spending and preserve Medicare.

Chip, not so much. He thinks we need more military spending because being number one in the world is just not good enough!

Fair n Balanced
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Fair n Balanced 10/09/12 - 07:21 pm
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Nolan was there once before,

there's a reason he got thrown out 30+ years ago.

Perpetuity
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Perpetuity 10/09/12 - 08:47 pm
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My question to you, Mr Nolan, is this...

how many times are you going to quit being a Congressman and then decide you really weren't ready to quit being one?

This is a legitimate question. Why don't you decide which side of the fence you want to sit on....?

Fair n Balanced
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Fair n Balanced 10/09/12 - 09:11 pm
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Nolan

will make a $2 Million upgrade on his retirement if he wins. Do you wonder why he's doing this? He's another DFL hack looking to fleece the taxpayers again. His partners are either endorsed to the hilt by unions, or Government Employee Union representatives. Just what the taxpayers need, more union shutdowns to bankrupt the state. How can a union representative negotiate as a State Representative against the union that's paying him $78,000+ salery? Look closely folks before you vote. We know who will vote for the "We'll Give You More" DFL candidates and we need to vote like people that are tired of "US" and not the DFL giving it to them.

pickle
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pickle 10/09/12 - 10:42 pm
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scribbles

have you seen Time mag. according to them Obama pays you to write. Is that true?

tricia12
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tricia12 10/09/12 - 10:53 pm
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Can't stand

I can't stand either one of 'em.

mav7770
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mav7770 10/09/12 - 11:51 pm
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Me neither, I'm voting 3rd

Me neither, I'm voting 3rd party.

pickle
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pickle 10/10/12 - 01:02 am
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third party

would be nice to vote for but we can't risk one more demo(c)rat getting elected till we fix Obama's mess!!

Bubba Yumbo
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Bubba Yumbo 10/10/12 - 02:34 am
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The biggest lie from Cong. Cravaack this morning

and he told quite a few big ones (esp. about the FACT that he agrees with plans to end Medicare), was that he has provided "unprecedented access" for constituents. Cong. Cravaack has run with his tail between his legs from any and ALL opportunities to meet with his everyday constituents in townhall-type meetings. When is the last time that his staff (campaign staff, now) has posted his schedule for open meetings? Don't bother waiting for an answer. They don't post them, because the meetings don't happen -- Cong. Cravaack does not hold this type of meeting, even though he ran against Cong. Oberstar on this same issue. Your constituents in Duluth (and probably Brainerd, also) would like you to "man-up", Congressman Cravaack, and post, one week in advance, open townhall meetings in both locations. Will you agree to this, Congressman Cravaack?

smartguy
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smartguy 10/10/12 - 06:47 am
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"Cravaack also brought up his

"Cravaack also brought up his amendment requiring American steel to be used in federal projects"

Since when did Republicans endorse protectionism? What happened to the free market?

fishhead
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fishhead 10/10/12 - 07:19 am
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I liked it when Chip tried to

I liked it when Chip tried to claim that Iraq attacked the US and that we needed to keep shoveling money into the military budget (worlds largest PORK BARREL).

Nolan had to remind him that Iraq didn't attack us on 9/11.

nursepat1
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nursepat1 10/10/12 - 07:49 am
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Pickle, you are SO right.

I normally vote for the Man but this election we need to just plain defeat the Demos!

twilight
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twilight 10/10/12 - 08:54 am
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The period Nolan missed a few votes was just a

Short time when he was absent for personal reasons. He did not miss any vital votes during that time.

Better to be absent, than present and voting how Cravaack did.

Lifelongresident
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Lifelongresident 10/10/12 - 09:03 am
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I watched the debate

Representative Cravaack has my vote.

tricia12
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tricia12 10/10/12 - 09:09 am
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Pickle

You ARE right. I wouldn't vote third party because it IS a vote for the democrats. I have no choice but to go with Cravaack.

charlie m
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charlie m 10/10/12 - 10:52 am
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Bubble Gumbo Loses

Hey Bubba, quit crying. I have personally been to at least 2 Craavack events (meet and greets) in the Brainerd area in the last year alone. Now here's your personal invite 10 days in advance: Chip Craavack Meet and Greet, October 20th, 4:30-6:30, Brainerd Arboretem. Be there or shut up. No excuses. I don't care to hear about your previous commitments. If you think you are getting short notices, you should check on Betty McCollum in Minnesotas 4th District. She pioneered short notices, in many cases, the day after the event and Al Frankenstein does the same thing. They are both DFL'rs. Now, go for it Bubba. See you there.

OldFarmBoy
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OldFarmBoy 10/10/12 - 10:57 am
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LLR

GOLD-STAR!!! & 1 green thumbs up from me.

charlie m
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charlie m 10/10/12 - 11:08 am
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Hey Bubba, Just ask Nancy P.

I don't know why you can't get the notice ahead of time. Nancy Pelosi has had her goons from her Super PAC (CREDO), causing trouble, at every one of Chips events so far. Maybe you should get on your leaders mailing list. If she knows about it way out in California, you should definitely know about it in Minnesota unless you are illiterate (possibility).

twilight
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twilight 10/10/12 - 01:16 pm
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Duluth debate

Nolan creams Cravaack in first debate
by: Jeff Rosenberg
Tue Oct 09, 2012 at 10:59:54 AM CDT

Wow, what a difference two years makes. In 2010, Chip Cravaack was swept into office with the Tea Party wave, capitalizing on the movement's aggressive, confrontational tactics to take Jim Oberstar by surprise. This time, the landscape is much different, and Cravaack's ability to debate substantive issues is important. From what I saw a couple of hours ago, that's going to mean trouble for him.
Nolan had clearly done his homework. He spoke intelligently and forcefully on the issues, making a strong argument for his policy ideas and refusing to cede an inch to Cravaack. In comparison, it quickly became apparent that Cravaack had only prepared a handful of vague talking points. Refusing to allow Cravaack to fall back on these vague talking points, Nolan repeatedly rebutted him, leading to discussions in which it became clear that Cravaack was just repeating the same line over and over.

pickle
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pickle 10/10/12 - 12:20 pm
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twilight

It was not by surprise Oberstar wanted to turn over Mn. waters to the federal government. He wanted Obama to control all of the country.

dean1961
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dean1961 10/10/12 - 12:51 pm
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twilight

That is not debate news. It is a self-described liberal blogger slanting things the way he perceives them.

twilight
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twilight 10/10/12 - 01:35 pm
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Dean

So post another point of view.

I will give it a vanilla title just for you. :)

dean1961
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dean1961 10/10/12 - 06:52 pm
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Debate news

This is how it should be reported. News, not a slanted opinion of the the debate!

Cravaack and Nolan hold spirited, respectful debate
by Mark Zdechlik, Minnesota Public Radio
October 9, 2012

http://minnesota.publicradio.org/display/web/2012/10/09/politics/cravaac...

Perpetuity
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Perpetuity 10/10/12 - 08:44 pm
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Twilight, is that like

how Romney spanked Obama up one side and down the other? Romney made Obama look like a fool that can't talk intelligently without his teleprompter telling him what to say.

I was actually EMBARRASSED for Obama, he did that poorly. And I bet that he also cost himself another term in the Oval Office with that boat sinking performance...

Fair n Balanced
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Fair n Balanced 10/10/12 - 08:53 pm
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I thought Obama

drooled on his shoes or something. He spent most of the debate looking down at them.

twilight
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twilight 10/10/12 - 09:55 pm
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He is going to knock your socks off next time.

Just warming up and disarming Mitt. Mitt is courting women today with his pro-choice talk. Bet that is getting to the base of the GOP. Tomorrow it will be another story. Early signs of dementia?

But first, my man Joe is going to send little Eddie Munster home crying tomorrow night. Even Joe's gaffes are tough as steel!

Fair n Balanced
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Fair n Balanced 10/10/12 - 09:54 pm
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Maybe for you,twilight.

The "Early signs of dementia?" I mean. It's Ryan and Blowbiden tomorrow not the Bumber and Romney!

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