Whether you think I have correct grammer or not doesnt matter, you still read what I say and understand my words...any other child like pokes you would like to make?

"Dear proponents of human dog-fighting,

Please take some time out of your busy schedule of punching each other in the head to learn some basic second grade grammar."

Cidder,

Your vast knowledge of everything wows everyone yet again. I can't understand why someone of your self proclaiming caliber, continues to negatively troll a newspaper articles comment section such as this one. Perhaps taking that superior brain of yours to a more productive forum would better suit your needs for the personal satisfaction you are looking for?

Cidder, you really are special aren't you? You absolutely refuse to accept how and why things happened that night. You are stuck on the fact that he was trained in MMA and persistantly try to push the problem on the others (You must secretivley work for the dispatch huh?). Why should anyone in that group denounce what happened? Was it their fault?

The obvious? It doesn't take being a rocket scientist to know how things went, when it blaitenly says it in the paper. Did you even read my other post? Or was that to simple for your advanced mind to understand? I mean the victim even admit to being drunk and following Will out, not leaving him alone.

Now your going to try the desperate angle of telling parents how to raise their own kids. Really? How many different things are you going to blame this on? First him, then the group, now the parent? Read Camels paragraph while your at it genius. Sounds like your still living in the 70's. You think your on some kind of high horse when it sounds like your riding a donkey. Good job on the self thumbs-up btw.

Did you not read what Steve Foslien posted? Hello...anyone in there? You keep changing your argument just to have one...there is no problems with our kids, and blood smeared cages? Obviously you've never been to an event, its not every fight that results in blood, or even a KO, SUBMITTED means they were not knocked out, research Jiu Jitsu a little bit, then talk to me.

Not only will we be open 6 months from now, but we will be here, and bigger, for years too come, but thank you for all of your attention and enthusiasm towards our business :-) We have a lot of families and students that attend our gym, as a new business, we are gaining a lot of new students, and have been since we opened.

anauheimer.....I can't tell...is he setting himself up to blame the law next if Will is not given a 1st degree? And why is he only responding to you? My little brain wants to grow Cidder. Where is my answer to this?

"What a dishonorable and shameful example to provide for the young people of this community.

You folks go ahead and raise your children to fight each other in blood smeared cages. Teach your children that it is ALWAYS the fault of someone else. Teach them to never face up to consequences. Teach them to blame everyone else all the time.

The rest of us will raise our children to be honorable, strong, honest and decent people.

" -- Cidder.

You must be a politician or the worst hypocrit I've seen.

Go tell that to the parents of the drunk guy who couldn't stay out of the lives of a couple with a child. That's real honorable, decent and respectful there.

Yes, parents of tomorrow. Please teach your children how to not stay out of the lives of another couple, please teach them not to quit when they should and please teach them to overly consume alcohol and expect no consequences from their liquid courage actions they can barely remember. According to your perspective the victims parents should be at blame then.

If you don't have answers for the responces from the retardidness that comes from your brain down to those little fingertips of yours. You should probably just not comment at all.

"The courts have a way of dealing with people who break the law.

This silly little "fight club" will be out of business within 6 months."

-- Cidder

You are now officially the dumbest person on this article to me. Can I please please, pretty please read from you ATLEAST another 5 more times your incoherent, off subject reasonings as to why the group itself is going to suffer? Or get in trouble for one person? What can the law do to that group? What can anyone do to the group? I'm sick of saying it.

Man, If I had thought patterns like yours, I would have to run myself as fast as I could, head first into a brickwall.

"You need to quit blaming society for your failure of life and try changing your own."

So true in this persons case and many others.

Wolf, he thinks he is fooling someone. The guy is either a friend of the victim or the person from the Dispatch. He is the only one going 100% for one side. I have to give myself a reason to continue checking this article, and it's solely to see his comments so I can laugh each day and respond.

He is picking and choosing who he responds too now. Shows his character has nothing left. Either it's that or I'm on ignore lol.

Couldn't have said it better myself! That was nice to see, thank you! It is true, we are not leaving Will to stand alone, especially during the hardest time of his life!

I'll check back in with you 6 months from now ;-)

First things first, victim did not "follow" anyone out of the bar. Victim was not even the first person assaulted by so called family man. Family man pushed ANOTHER guy in the bar and victim stepped in to cool things down knowing both parties.
Jokeacality, you know NOTHING. You talk about someone stepping in between parents and causing problems, what are these children with children doing airing their dirty, jealous laundry in a bar drunk?
The whole thing stinks, it sounds like the family man is a pretty decent fella who made a mistake, guys get wound up, especially when ladies and other guys are involved. Unfortunately, family man is a trained fighter and is held to a different standard then everyone else. He can NOT go around punching people drunk in bars, under any circumstances. I hope it doesn't ruin his life.
Camel, I am ashamed of you, if this [filtered word] would have gone down at one of the fine establishments that you work the door so very well at, you would have been slapping these clowns silly, maybe even putting one right over your knee for a spanking. You of all people should not be questioning or bad mouthing any security.
The punch was witnessed by several people and was basically a sucker punch, you don't have to pummel or stomp someone to kill or hurt them critically. Everyone involved is lucky his head hit the ground the way it did or he could be dead.
Enough with the excuses, NO ONE except the idiots involved are to blame.
Cidder, grow up. You are all here for me to poop on. Triumph

You were there? You have NO idea what you're talking about. There is no reason to debate with you, all you do is deflect and make excuses. Your excuses suck by the way. It would be in the family mans best interest to cut ties with all you dummies because you all are really making the situation worse. This is a serious situation, your boy is in big trouble and all you @&$holes are worried about is how it affects the "Fafia" you are most definitely here for me to poop on.

I know nothing? You need to go back and read everything before you try to throw stabs at me. You talk like you were actually there? Well, were you? Probably not. Sounds like you just want to throw your half a penny in, in hopes that someone will find your posts "cool". I wasn't their and admit it. I simply broke down the paper comments by everyone who WAS there, saw it and their testimonies. So throw all the stabs at everyone you want, what was written in the paper was writtten. And for the record, yea their both to blame, but security is to blame the most. Their job is to difuse situations exactly like that, any normal bouncer does NOT let two people ready to go at, close to one another after (read the paper again) one was already escorted out. How was the other able to get outside? And there was no suckerpunch, it blaintenly says it in the paper straight from the victims mouth.

"your boy is in big trouble and all you @&$holes are worried about is how it affects the "Fafia" you are most definitely here for me to poop on." - triumph

All you @SSholes? Your another one who is calling them ALL @$$holes/jerks etc? You know It's kinda hard to poop on someone when your head is so far up your own @$$ that your eating it first.

Your trying to rant on to me about how you speak the truth. You obviously haven't read all my posts. Once again I'm stateing what I got out of the papers comments because I wasn't there. You were there prior to the incident but not the time it happened? So you know everything because you talked to people who were apparently there. So what? It's all incidental at this time and has no bearing with my argument here till the hearing is over. If you could take the time to pull your head out of your [filtered word], you'd be able to understand that. And it is each persons job to act like a human being, but [filtered word] happens. So if [filtered word] happens it's not the bouncers job to look after them? LOL! What are their jobs then? I highly doubt Zorbas pays them to just sit on their rears.
So if your right about everything, great good for you. Till then you can keep throwing jabs trying to inflate that head of yours because you hate the whole group, one person doesn't equal a group but I guess your simple math is better than mine. Your argument with me is about the BDD's write-up and what was included in it. Till DBB writes more about the situation all this hearsay means nothing to me.

We're superheros, that explains everything! And P.S....free classes have been offered to the Womens Shelter, but we cant say anything else about it for their safety...call them, and check it out :-) For all the other things with donations, you will just have to wait and see, how does The Disabled Veterans Fund sound? Yep. We are SO evil.