DULUTH (AP) — Leah Schroeder’s youngest child, Fynn, had the best breakfast of his 14 months one morning just before Thanksgiving.
“I had my little guy suck on a sucker, which he thought was the coolest thing that had ever happened,” the 29-year-old mother of three said.
Schroeder was hosting a “pox party” in her Harbor Highlands home. Another mom stopped by, bringing her young child. The hope was that the other child would catch chicken pox from Fynn, who was in the midst of the itchy illness. Although chicken pox is highly contagious and easily transmitted through the air, the children shared a sucker to heighten the probability.
Schroeder is part of a loose network of parents in the Twin Ports who choose what they call “natural vaccination.” Rejecting the chicken pox vaccine as unnecessary and not always effective, they look for opportunities to expose their children to other children with the disease.
It’s not a new idea, nor is it unique to the Northland. A “Chicken Pox Party” page on Facebook has people looking for pox parties in south-central Alaska, northeastern Pennsylvania and south Florida, among other places. Another Facebook page is called “Find a Pox Party in Your Area.”
After a child is infected, the chicken pox rash will occur in 10 to 21 days, according to the U.S. National Library of Medicine. The average child develops 250 to 500 small blisters over red spots on the skin. The blisters usually are preceded by fever, headache and stomach ache. The patient remains contagious until the blisters have crusted over.
It’s over in a few days and almost never a serious illness in young children, pox party proponents say. They are allowing their children to get through it early in exchange for lifelong immunity from a disease that can have more serious consequences in later years.
Participants are running against the grain of conventional medical thinking. The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention recommends two doses of chicken pox vaccine, at least three months apart, starting after children reach their first birthday.
Dr. Linda Van Etta, infectious disease specialist for St. Luke’s hospital, is pro-vaccination.
“I think it’d be much safer for them to have the vaccine than to acquire natural chicken pox,” Van Etta said.
Since the vaccine was licensed in the U.S. in 1995, there has been a 70 to 85 percent decrease in naturally occurring chicken pox, Van Etta said. It’s true that 4-5 percent of those who are vaccinated will “actually get a few lesions from the vaccine,” she said. But it’s “very mild compared to regular chicken pox.”
And although it’s true that chicken pox isn’t serious in most cases, “we still have about 500 deaths or complications a year,” Van Etta said. “So it’s not completely benign.”
Some parents think vaccinations are oversold. Sheri Carlson of Babbitt is among those who follow an alternative vaccination schedule suggested by Dr. Robert Sears of San Juan Capistrano, Calif., in “The Vaccine Book.” It doesn’t mean outright opposition to vaccinations, Carlson said. But the people at the clinic where she and her husband, Mark, take their 9-month-old daughter, Isla, “know that we’re very leery of vaccines. We’re picking and choosing and doing the best we can.”
She said it’s unlikely Isla will get the chicken pox vaccine when she reaches her first birthday. That’s ironic, Carlson pointed out, because her father worked for 35 years for Merck, which makes the vaccine.
“When she’s older, we may think of exposing her to it,” Carlson said.
Jennifer Derrick got the word out among friends that she was interested in having her three children exposed after the youngest turned 1. None of the Central Hillside woman’s children has had any vaccinations, although she’s strongly considering two of them.
But when it came to chicken pox vaccine, “I would much rather do it the natural way,” Derrick said.
She did want her children to have that natural immunity early in life, because “it’s bad if you get it when you’re older,” Derrick said.
Derrick thinks it was about a year and a half ago when a neighbor called and said she had a child with chicken pox. “I don’t know if you would call what I went to a pox party,” Derrick said. “She called me and said, ‘My daughter has chicken pox. Do you want to come and expose all your kids to my kids?’”
She did, and the children drank from the same glass of orange juice. Her children, Sadie, now 8½; Ruby, 5½; and Karina, 2½; came down with chicken pox two weeks apart, from oldest to youngest.
Sadie had the worst case, Derrick said, but all got through it with no complications. “I don’t regret it,” Derrick said. “It wasn’t a big deal.”
Van Etta said it’s usually the other way around: The first child in a family to get chicken pox gets the mildest case. That’s what happened with Schroeder’s children. Greyson, 4, got it first, about a month ago, and it was a relatively mild case. Fynn, the youngest, woke up with it two days before Thanksgiving, and he had it worse. Her daughter, Tuesday, 2, came down with chicken pox soon after Thanksgiving, and had the worst case of the three.
Although she’s a proponent of natural vaccination, Schroeder doesn’t like to see her children sick.
“I feel sorry for him,” she said during the height of Fynn’s illness. “I feel bad that they aren’t feeling well. (But) I would rather they had it when they’re 3 or 4, or 14 months. One of my sisters got it when she was 18, and she was very ill.”
But as it happens, Schroeder didn’t have her children exposed on purpose.
“I have no idea where Greyson got it from,” she said. “Total fluke. It was a complete fluke.”
One of Van Etta’s primary objections to pox parties is the possibility of unintentional exposures. The child will be contagious before blisters show up, she said. What if, during that time, he is in contact with a pregnant woman, or another child who could not be vaccinated for chicken pox because she was HIV positive or had childhood leukemia?
“If you have this child who’s now just been to a chicken pox party, shouldn’t that child stay home for the next 20 days?” Van Etta said.
Derrick said she honestly doesn’t remember if she quarantined her children before they actually showed signs of having chicken pox. “It is a fair point to make,” she said. “I understand that perspective.”
Schroeder and Derrick said their pediatricians give them the information they need without trying to talk them out of their choices. Friends and family generally are supportive.
The anti-vaccine movement comes from a new generation of parents who have no memory of what life was like before vaccinations, Van Etta said.
“Vaccines are kind of the victim of their own success,” she said. “We don’t see children dying of diphtheria; we don’t see children dying of tetanus in this country.”
And concerns about vaccines are overstated, Van Etta argued.
“Are there side-effects to vaccines? Absolutely,” she said. “You can get a sore arm. You can get a low-grade fever . but all of those side-effects are very mild and very infrequent compared to coming down with the natural disease.”



Comments (19)
Add commentI'm all for it
I'm all for having Chicken Pox parties. When one of mine got them I called my neighbors and let them know and wanted to know if they wanted their kids to get them. She said they were on their way down.
It's not going to hurt them to get them.
I'm 51 and have never had them. Been around them for 51 years, around shingles too. Built up an immunity. Let the kids build up immunities too.
Ridiculous.
Ridiculous.
Parents should be licensed
Why are people this ignorant allowed to reproduce? If their kid dies or gets serious complications I hope they go to prison.
“we still have about 500 deaths or complications a year,” Van Etta said.
NanLee you are wrong. You CAN get shingles in the future. Ask your doctor if you go to doctors.
Not only are these kooks
Not only are these kooks risking their children they are exposing the rest of us to a potentially fatal disease.
Shingles can be extremely painful and can appear even though a person has never shown any symptoms of chickenpox. I know that for a fact because it happened to me and can happen again. It left my eyebrow numb for about 5 years and threatened to spread to my eye.
With these people deliberately turning their kids into disease dispensers they are increasing the chances that a senior can get infected with potentially fatal chicken pox.
We need to stop the attack on science.
Good post, Fish. I didn't
Good post, Fish.
I didn't feel like wasting my breath on such ignorance.
the crazy doesn't end
Some advocates have some kind of mail order business where you send for a sucker that a child has sucked who has the disease? Who the heck would do/buy something crazy like that and give it to your child?
Yep, there are lots of stories about it. Here is one:
"You’ve probably heard of "chickenpox parties," where parents get unvaccinated kids together (in the home of an infected child) in the hopes they'll catch the disease. They think making their kids suffer through the disease will help them develop stronger immunity than immunization would provide.
But now the buzz is all about people shipping objects that have been contaminated with the chickenpox virus to people who live too far away to attend a pox party.
A Nashville TV station Thursday reported on a local woman who charged $50 a pop to ship suckers smothered in saliva by her sick kids."
Good post, Lake. Sending
Good post, Lake.
Sending those things through the mail is illegal, and those responsible should be prosecuted. There are specific procedures for packaging, and only certain companies are licensed to ship biological agents.
new Obama/ left wing trick,
send brainwash chemical to people goofy enough to let their kids lick a spit-covered sucker. Who needs to disarm anyone to rule the nation?
I found another candidate to hit IGNORE USER
and then he will not exist for me any longer
and I won't have to see his irrelevant posts
(hint: see above)
it's like magic = they disappear!
I know, minnesnowda
Ron White: "You can't fix stupid."
zap, he/she/it is gone forever!
Not the same for all
Don't tell me I'm wrong just because you got shingles. You probably had a mild case of chickenpox or you are a "carrier," Do you know what that is fish head? A carrier is a person that carries the virus dormant in their body but can spread it to others. There are strep throat carriers too. I'm not promoting sharing suckers or popsicles. I'm just saying, get it over with. Most kids don't get the immunization.
My husband (a quadruple bypass patient) got shingles 2 weeks before Thanksgiving. Yes WE went to the doctors because I couldn't convince my husband that I was safe from getting shingles.
The doctor said that since I haven't gotten chickenpox yet then I won't. It's called "immunity." Want some facts?
"Shingles occurs when the virus that causes chickenpox starts up again in your body. After you get better from chickenpox, the virus "sleeps" (is dormant) in your nerve roots. In some people, it stays dormant forever. In others, the virus "wakes up" when disease, stress, or aging weakens the immune system. Some medicines may trigger the virus to wake up and cause a shingles rash. It is not clear why this happens. But after the virus becomes active again, it can only cause shingles, not chickenpox.
You can't catch shingles from someone else who has shingles. But there is a small chance that a person with a shingles rash can spread the virus to another person who hasn't had chickenpox and who hasn't gotten the chickenpox vaccine."
If you want to argue with a heart specialist about it then go for it.
absurd
This is so incredibly ignorant and disgusting. Especially how the parents say "it wasn't a big deal", well, I am sure their child would say otherwise as they are covered in itching blisters and have a fever.
Lunatics
That is right out of the Charlie Sheen school of thought..immunize is bad. Kooks. Poor kids. But really, where is Child Services? A parent is willingly exposing a kid to a disease that will cause misery and pain..and they're not locked up? Really? This is OK?
I'll tell you Nan...what you
I'll tell you Nan...what you did (first post) was wrong. Period.
20 years
20 years ago they didn't have the chickenpox immunization. Kids just got them and they went on from there. Kids got measles too,they have a vaccination for that too, and the flu.
My point is, that kids haven't got much of an immunity to anything anymore because they are getting shots after shots for everything. Every time a child sniffles a parent is running them to the doctor for medicine or rummaging through the medicine cabinet to give them something for it. I didn't haul my kids around the neighborhood spreading it around. I informed the parents of the kids who played here. It was their choice to let them come over. They knew.
I didn't post to tick everyone off. Just try and understand my point.
Ok?
shingles vaccine
Does that not work? And some docs say shingles is contagious, just as any virus is contagious.
Even though there is a vaccine, many don't get it as they are averse to modern medicine. Just like the pneumonia vaccine. And childhood shots.
Freedom to choose...I am for that.
If
If shingles is contagious then I should have gotten the chickenpox. Go to a search engine and type in shingles. Interesting reading. Especially if you have to defend yourself. Like you said Lake... freedom of choice and I choose not to get the vaccinations.
For some, the side affects are worse than the actual virus. Many get through them just fine.
nan
I don't believe it is highly contagious, but a docter in the Essentia system said that it is. I know lots of people who have had it and their spouses never got it. Just thinking how the information is not consistent. And individuals' reactions to the shingles virus can be very different.
and
and 2 doctors said different things. Physical therapy said "no problem" to the shingles, heart specialist said, "no problem," but family practitioner said "it's a problem."
He's all healed up now anyway. They said he won't get them again either.
@NanLee60
You are correct with your shingles info except for the last sentence. 4% of people who get shingles will get recurring bouts of them. Your husband could get them again. I'm one of the 4% unfortunately. I have had them 2 times documented and also 2 times as what I'd call "flare ups", which means everything but the rash. The flare ups weren't documented because the doctors don't want to admit you have shingles if you don't have the rash...but I very definitely had them. Once you get them you will never forget them~!!!