There were so many game-changing moments in last week's "The Vampire Diaries" that it felt like a fall finale (read our full recap here). But good news: we've still got one more episode to go before the long winter hiatus begins.
To tide you over until it airs at 8 p.m. ET Thursday (Dec. 12), Zap2it went straight to the "TVD" boss lady with all the answers, executive producer Caroline Dries, to get all the juicy scoop and spoilers we could squeeze out. Check out what she had to say about the reveal of Damon's dark revenge against the Whitmore family, what it means for him and Elena, Stefan and Katherine's hook-up, the return of the beautiful but dangerous Enzo, Wes' plans for Elena, and much, much, much more.
Oh, and did we mention someone's going to die? Like, a main character? Yeah, that's kind of a big development, wouldn't you say?
Zap2it: So Enzo didn't really die in the fire when Damon left him! Thank goodness, he's too beautiful to lose so soon.
Caroline Dries: Good, I'm so glad people like him.
What are his feelings toward Damon, since he essentially betrayed him and left him to die at the Augustine party?
What we teed up with how we ended the episode with Enzo, is how is Damon going to react when he sees Enzo and how is Enzo going to treat Damon? And so you have to think of Enzo as, when he was in that cell for five years with Damon, Damon was his only friend. And even though Damon betrayed him, Enzo hasn't had a single friend since. So when he gets out and they meet each other for the first time since then, their relationship is not this black and white relationship. There are a lot of complicated layers to it. Enzo presents Damon with a lot of interesting questions and it holds up a mirror to who Damon really was at that time.
And it turns out Damon hasn't really changed at all, now that we found out he's been killing Whitmores this entire time. How is that going to affect Damon and Elena's relationship? Is this the end of "Delena"?
It's obviously a lot for Elena to chew on when she found out. And she's going to continue to be digesting that when she's on this medical lab table that we saw her wake up on in Wes' weird makeshift lab. So she's trying to deal and come to terms with why he would do that or how she could be with somebody who was like that. And she actually has this surprising revelation at the end of how she decides to process that information and move forward with Damon.
What's interesting is that if you go back and rewatch this scene from Season 2, Damon's never really hid the fact that he likes to kill, despite the fact that everyone including Elena has wanted him and expects him to change.
Yeah, exactly. What we've done is kept Damon very true to who he is and we've always shown that he will put Elena first and foremost. But what's interesting about this Whitmore story line and the Augustine story line is it's one of his first story lines that Elena hasn't been a part of. So we realize that Damon is still Damon outside of Elena, and how is that going to impact their relationship?
Now let's talk about Stefan and Katherine's hook up for a bit, because that was hot. Please say we'll see more of them together?
Good, I'm glad you like that. We ended the last episode with Stefan and Katherine, after they had that cool story line where she's locked in the safe with him, they come together in this hot, awesome makeout scene leading to a night of hot makeouts and sex and whatever they did. And then we start the next day and Stefan's like, "What did I do? What if I have feelings for her, what does it all mean? What happens when people find out about it?" So episode 10 and even episode 11 is the fun of people finding out and how they react to it and how Stefan's going to deal with it. But it's definitely something we want to keep in the foreground of the show. It's not something that we're just going to put to bed.
A lot of "Stelena" fans were pretty upset about Stefan hooking up with Katherine, because they saw it as the end of "Stelena." Have any advice for those fans?
My advice to them would be to relax. Stop tweeting at me [laughs]. I will say that for five seasons the love triangle has been the heart of this show. Just because Elena's not with Stefan at this moment doesn't mean that the triangle isn't there in some way. So we're going to keep Stefan's love interest situation intact, whether it's Elena or somebody else, it's not like he's going to be lonely.
While dealing with Damon's dark history, Elena's also going to have to deal with Wes experimenting on her. Are his experiments going to be related to his Augustine vampire research?
Yeah. What the Augustines were doing to Damon back in the day was more of like a broader experimentation like pulling out their organs to study vampires. Wes is much more sophisticated now in 2013 so he has a very specific agenda. What he ends up doing will have ripple effects on the rest of the series.
Meanwhile, Damon and Stefan are going to team up with Aaron to help Elena, right? What's that dynamic going to be like?
It's less of a "teaming up" and more being held captive [laughs]. But it's a fun story line because I'm just picturing Aaron, who is just this good guy, and all of a sudden he's flanked by Salvatore brothers who are using him as leverage. Poor Aaron doesn't stand a chance. It's a fun brother-bonding episode in a way.
While Katherine may have some fun hooking up with Stefan, she's still dealing with her aging problem. How is her daughter Nadia going to help her?
Nadia has had one goal this entire season: to find her mom. Now that she's found her, she doesn't want to lose her. Katherine's taking the more vain route of, "I want to look good, I want to preserve my health and stay fit physically." Whereas Nadia's goal is, "I need to find a way to keep you from dying." She has more of a hail Mary situation going on.
Now that she's helped Stefan deal with his PTSD, what's Caroline's goal going forward?
Caroline's actually not in episode 10 [the fall finale]. But moving forward in the 100th episode, her story line opens up when she makes a decision to do something and it kind of generates story for her for the next two episodes, this choice that she's made. That's really all I can say because it's a fun surprise.
Are Jeremy and Bonnie in the fall finale? What's coming up for them?
Yeah they're not in this episode either but going forward, in future episodes, Bonnie's going to be tested as the anchor. And they seem to be pretty happy in their relationship that they have going on but in future episodes that will be tested by a third party. The reason they broke up -- if you remember back in the day -- was because of Anna, when Jeremy cheated on Bonnie with Anna, and they've never really dealt with that. They just broke up and they both died at some point and now they're back together again. So those residual feelings of insecurity will persist in their relationship.
With so many crazy things going down in the fall finale, what are you most excited for fans to see in the episode?
There's a scene at the end between Stefan and Katherine that is one of my favorite scenes because it is just so beautiful and wonderful. It's about forgiveness, and their history, and it's just really well-acted and well-directed by Kelly Cyrus, the director. I just really love it.
What else can you reveal about the fall finale and what's coming up on "The Vampire Diaries?"
I think we can safely say that Damon and Elena will be put to the ultimate test. Will their love survive or not? And we're also going to see a character die. One of the main characters. That's a biggie.
No kidding. Who do you think is the unlucky soul whose days are numbered?
"The Vampire Diaries" airs Thursdays at 8 p.m. ET on The CW.
We chatted with Drew about the big episode, "Get Up Stand Up," which airs at 9 p.m. ET on ABC, and she revealed that not only is April dealing with some major Bridezilla moments, everyone around her is also dealing with some chaos of their own, leading up to what Drew says is one crazy cliffhanger before "Grey's" goes on hiatus for two and a half months (it will return Feb. 27).
Zap2it: We loved seeing April finally stand up for herself to her sisters when she denounced them as bridesmaids. How are Meredith, Cristina, and Arizona going to fare as her new bridesmaids?
Sarah Drew: She chose three people who are in the middle of crazy emotional turmoil themselves and as most characters on "Grey's Anatomy" are, are already self-absorbed. So she's caught in the crossfire of Meredith and Cristina. Arizona is a great bridesmaid, except for the fact that she is dealing with a whole lot of drama regarding her marriage right now. So she went from people who don't take her seriously to people who are completely wrapped up in their own worlds. There are some really fun scenes where we see some meltdown moments, Bridezilla style. It's fun.
Will we see more of this new, bold April leading up to her big day?
Absolutely. I just really feel like April has found her voice. She's roaring her way through life now and I kind of love it. I love that she's come into her own, she's figured out who she is, and she now loves herself. She's confident in the person that she's becoming and has become. It's one of my favorite things about the development of her character.
Speaking of her development as a character, when you first came onto "Grey's Anatomy" during the big merger in Season 6, did you ever imagine you would get an episode devoted to your wedding?
No [laughs]. Definitely not. It's been really, really fun to see the progression. They do a really good job on our show introducing characters kind of slowly so people get used to them to the point where we start to love them, and then you can have a wedding episode about someone who didn't come in until Season 6. I think that's a part of the genius of the way the show is run and created and written. But it's certainly delightful for me. It's really fun to be princess for the day.
Did it bring back any memories of your big day? [Drew married Peter Lanfer in 2002.]
It did because we flew my dad out to actually walk me down the aisle. That was really fun. I had flashbacks of my day 11 years ago when I was standing there with my dad getting ready for them to say, "Action." We were looking at each other and we were like, "I can't believe we're doing this again. This is amazing."
That's so cool! How did your dad get involved with the episode?
A couple ways. When we had the episode where we had marriage counseling, the writers actually talked to my dad to get advice on how one of those sessions would go because my dad is a minister, so they named [the character] Reverend Drew. And Reverend Drew is the guy who winds up marrying us in the wedding episode, so he was already on their minds. Then when they were looking for a redheaded guy to walk me down the aisle, I was like, "You know, I have a redheaded dad. Should I call him?" They were like, "Awesome!" So my dad flew out and during our first rehearsal, our director was like, "OK Reverend Drew, I need you to ... " -- and my dad leapt up, and the director was like, "No, pretend Reverend Drew. You're just Papa Drew." It was so funny and my dad was so tickled by the whole thing.
Obviously, since this is "Grey's Anatomy," the wedding won't be drama-free. What can you reveal about the big cliffhanger that happens?
I can tell you that you don't want to miss the last five minutes. Those last five minutes are totally shocking for numerous reasons. There are things that are happening at the hospital, there are things that are happening with Derek, and there are things that are happening at the wedding, all happening at once in the last five minutes. To the point where, when we read it at the table read, Ellen Pompeo was like, "Stop. What? I'm sorry, what?!?" Like the whole table read stopped because she was like, "What's happening? What?!?" It's pretty fantastic. There's an amazing cliffhanger, and nobody's going to see any of it coming.
Does the cliffhanger have anything to do with April's lingering feelings for Jackson, or is she all in with Matthew now?
April's definitely all in with Matthew. But the one thing that she really wants is to have her best friend at her wedding. She really, really wants Jackson to show up and be there and support her. And on the day of the wedding she's still not sure whether he's going to come or not so we'll see her wrestling with, "How do I communicate that this is really important to me?" and "How do I convince him to come?" So the things that are lingering are just the fact that he is so deeply important to her. It's still very, very true. I can't tell you whether he decides to come or not but I can tell you how desperately she wants him to be there.
Will Matthew question April's feelings for him seeing that struggle?
He actually doesn't witness that struggle, so no. Matthew's gung-ho.
Let's talk about this cliffhanger some more. Since "Grey's Anatomy" isn't returning until February, what advice do you have for viewers after they see the last five minutes of the fall finale and have to wait for the hiatus to end?
For two months! I don't know! I don't know what to tell them. People are going to be dying. The show is going to end and everyone's going to go, "What? What happens next?!?" But that's just how we do on "Grey's," you know? Sorry! [laughs] And they're really treating this season as two little half-seasons. Like this is the end of Season 10, part one. And then we come back for Season 10, part two. I like it though, because even though it is a long time to wait for a new episode, then you get all 12 in a row which is nice.
What else can you reveal about "Get Up Stand Up?"
I can reveal that what's coming up is a lot of fun stuff for April. She's going to go through it emotionally. I can say that when we come back from the hiatus, I'm really loving the direction that they're taking the April story line, post this cliffhanger. It's a really fun journey.
Any other projects coming up for you besides "Grey's Anatomy?"
I just released a Christmas album at reindeertribe.com. It's a really fun listen for the holidays.
"Grey's Anatomy" airs Thursdays at 9 p.m. ET on ABC.
The first ever "American Idol" winner and singing powerhouse will appear on the ABC southern series in Episode 11 (which will air in January), TVLine reports.
"As you recall, one of the most popular songs of last season is a song that Gunnar and Scarlett wrote -- 'Fade Into You,'" showrunner Dee Johnson says. "And in fact, in real life, [Clarkson is] actually cutting that song."
How excited are you to see Clarkson take "Nashville" by storm? Think any of our main divas -- Juliette, Rayna, Scarlett, or Layla -- have something to worry about?
"Nashville" airs Wednesdays at 10 p.m. ET on ABC.
Did you guess they would kill both Crazy Peggy and Will? We were only prepared for one death, but now two lives hang in the balance. And while Crazy Peggy getting shot was super soap opera-y, Will's apparent suicide is like a punch to the gut. Here was a bright, young, talented man with his entire future as a country superstar ahead of him, and he walked in front of a train because he was in so much pain from being closeted. He couldn't deal with being gay in the country music business, even after he finally gave in to his feelings and slept with Brent. He should have been happy at connecting with the guy he'd been longing for, but instead he took his own life.
Did Will actually go through with it? We don't know yet, but we do know that Crazy Peggy's odds aren't looking so good. What was up with that random security guard pulling a gun on Mayor Teddy? Our guess is it was orchestrated by Lamar from inside jail, but that backfired when Teddy wrestled the gun away and the shot went wide, hitting Crazy Peggy. Will she survive the gunshot? We don't know that either.
So what else happened in the game-changing episode? It's time for the Music City Music Festival, y'all, and all our favorite (and not-so-favorite) characters were in attendance.
After Teddy pulled Deacon from the festival lineup, he didn't even have the decency to tell him. Deacon had to find out from some assistant who couldn't find his packet of info at the check-in tent. What a jerk move, Teddy. Is it bad if we were wishing the gunshot hadn't missed its mark? Too harsh? Gunnar still has his spot on the lineup, but it's at the stage next to the porta potties -- a.k.a. an 11 a.m. slot at Toilet Town, according to Deacon. He's regretting giving up the rights to his favorite song right about now for that, ahem, s***ty slot. But thanks to Deacon's quick thinking, they decide to partner up and do their own thing outside of the festival's fences, where Teddy and Jeff Fordham don't have any say.
Deacon has the idea that they should start playing near the main stage after the headliner ends -- they'll have the crowds already, and they won't be "inside" the festival, just next to it in the parking lot his friend owns. Deacon needs Gunnar to do that "tweetering" thing to get the word out, and he'll call his A&R friends. When Gunnar asks why he's not doing the gig with Rayna or Juliette, Deacon turns on that Southern-boy charm and melts hearts across the country: "I think I'm done being on the side. I wanna be out front a little bit." Oh Deacon, you'll do just fine in the spotlight. Juuuust fine.
Scarlett's home from her tour, and she's so pissed at Zoey hooking up with Gunnar that she isn't even acknowledging her. Because of course that's how she would handle things: like a child. And when Scarlett catches Deacon and Gunnar planning their concert in the house she shares with Deacon, she gets even angrier because Gunnar had the audacity to be in her home. Gunnar's surprised when Deacon doesn't want to fight him later or give him free advice about the situation, because according to Deacon, as long as Gunnar never cheated on Scarlett, then they never have to talk about it. Gunnar has to figure out his "soap opera" with Scarlett and Zoey on his own.
Juliette invites Avery to play with her during her big headlining set, but things take a turn for the PR-worse when news finally breaks that Juliette's the reason behind the Wentworth divorce. She's trying to play it off like it's some rumor, but manager Glen is right: She's Juliette Barnes, and the public won't believe her side of the story. Plus, country music fans like cheating songs, but they don't like the cheater. Juliette won't talk to the press about it until she can give them a name to tear to shreds: the person who outed her to them in the first place. Uh oh, Layla, better watch your back.
Things heat up when Juliette confronts Layla after finding out from Charlie he didn't leak the details. Layla basically threatens Juliette, which is not the wisest of moves. And then Layla makes the biggest mistake of them all: She tries to trash-talk Juliette to Jeff. He turns around and fires back that Juliette has years of albums and singles that are important to Edgehill whereas Layla is still new -- and if he finds out Layla's behind the rumors, her contract will be in serious jeopardy. This little girl just realized she made a big mistake.
Things are going great for Rayna and Luke -- they're even using girlfriend/boyfriend labels (in secret, though) and doing a radio tour together to promote their new single. So obviously, things can't last like that. This is "Nashville," y'all! Luke tells Rayna he heard Jeff is still planning on releasing her album, so she ambushes him at his home -- while he's skinny dipping! -- to confront him. He is planning on releasing the album, since the single isn't going to make his quarterly earnings. He wants to chop up the album she made with Liam to release only the best songs. That doesn't fly with Rayna, who thinks that the album is complete as is. Jeff gives her two options: Either he releases the album his way, or she gives him a check for $20 million to buy her masters back.
Rayna decides to focus on getting that $20 million, but with her tour income she doesn't have enough. Tandy offers $3 million for a corner office at Highway 65, which gets her closer to her goal. Luke doesn't understand why Rayna would want to give up being on a label, and methinks we've found the flaw in their heretofore perfect relationship. Luke's a little too close to Jeff, and that isn't a good sign. But Rayna decides to go all-in and mortgage her house, sell her stocks, and put it all on the line to give Jeff his check. And it looks like it might be over for her and Luke when she tells him she won't be promoting their single together since it's an Edgehill release. The kiss he gives her seemed an awful lot like a goodbye kiss. That's music business romance for ya, I guess.
Layla's still banging Will to make their music business romance a reality, but seeing as how he's making moony eyes at a photo of Brent on his phone, that's not a good sign for her. Things look up for Will when Brent later tells him he broke up with his boyfriend Craig after he found out the guys Will beat up in Houston were the ones harassing him at the hotel for being gay. Sparks are flying between these two ... until Will tells him that Layla's his type "across the board." Uh, yeah, sure Will. We totally believe you, especially after you sleep with Brent.
But then. OH GOD. DOES WILL COMMIT SUICIDE?
Back at the festival, Crazy Peggy is getting way too into her "new family" and new role as "mom." Watching Crazy Peggy call the girls "sweetie" is just sickening. We agree with Rayna's face: Stop that right now, Crazy Peggy. She tries to pull motherly rank on Maddie, who wants to see Deacon's (not-so-scheduled) set, but that fails miserably because hello, you can't keep Maddie from her real father. Nice try. (We're seriously going to miss making all these barbs at Crazy Peggy if she really does bite the dust. Not Crazy Peggy!)
Scarlett finally talks to Zoey and tells her that she misses Zoey's good-girl side, since she hurt fewer people that way. Uh, Scarlett, time to face the facts: People change, but they still can be friends. We don't agree with the way Gunnar and Zoey got together or how they handled telling Scarlett, but she's upset about the wrong thing. Zoey breaks up with Gunnar while she figures out what's going on with her and Scarlett ... and promptly gets back together with him, since she says Scarlett should be happy for them. This is going to get uglier before it gets better.
After avoiding the press, Juliette takes the stage for her set, but breaks down when the crowd hoists a big "homewrecker" banner and starts booing her. She almost walks offstage, but Avery stops her and starts to duet with her, basically saving the set. They sound awesome together, but Juliette breaks down in her dressing room afterward. Avery talks her through things and gives her an idea of how to handle the situation. She finally talks to the press and tells them her private life is just that: private. She then goes to profess her love for Avery, but Scarlett's over and half naked, and though she never said the words to Avery, from the look on his face, he was expecting it and didn't know what to do. It seems like he's got feelings for her too, but after Scarlett confides in him that he's the only one she trusts, he can't break up with her.
Gunnar and Deacon's unofficial set goes great, and Rayna congratulates Deacon on his first outing as a frontman. When he gets a call from his girlfriend Megan, she looks a little sad. Are we seeing the romantic re-emergence of Rayna and Deacon? We're definitely seeing the emergence of Deacon as a solo artist, since he gets an offer from one of his A&R friends.
After both the set and the festival end, Rayna and Teddy have a polite conversation about Rayna's future with Edgehill, where she tells him she's planning on mortgaging the house. He gives her his blessing and all seems well ... until some rando security guard pulls a gun on Teddy, who wrestles it away and the shot that went off hit Crazy Peggy. Like ... whaaaaaat?
Did you see that coming? Who do you think is going to die, Crazy Peggy, Will, both, or neither? Let us know in the comments below.
There have been a lot of decisions and assumptions made on "The Walking Dead" Season 4 based on the reveal that Carol killed Karen and David. When Rick asked her point blank if she was the one behind the two prison murders, she confirmed it, and that led to Rick sending her away. But what if Carol wasn't the murderer after all?
There's a theory floating around that we've really gotten on board with that speculates Melissa McBride's character wasn't the one who killed the two infected prison members, but rather that it was the little girl she took on as her charge, Lizzie. This theory was seemingly reinforced by a conversation showrunner Scott Gimple had with Vulture about the moment in the midseason finale where Lizzie shoots Tara's girlfriend, Alisha, in the head.
"It seemed very natural that [Carol] would settle into the role that she did this season as a very determined protector of the prison, and especially the children of the prison. And though she wasn't in the midseason finale, we could feel her presence," Gimple says. "I like to say that scene, however sensational it is in the moment, was there to serve that Carol story. We'll be addressing that in the future. It's all part of a greater story. It's important to know that that wasn't just some big sensational moment."
Gimple describes Carol as a protector of the prison but, more than that, a protector of the children. Because of that, wouldn't she feel it is her duty to cover up for Lizzie instead of letting Rick know that the girl had taken it upon herself to kill Karen and David? Wouldn't her duty to those children make more sense as a reason for her admitting to the murders than actually doing them herself? Since she seemed to expect Rick to either kill her or send her away after the admitted to the kllings, it would make sense that she wouldn't want to let Lizzie be put in harm's way.
Carol's reactions in the wake of Karen and David's murders seem to confirm this theory. When Tyreese comes and speaks to her, she knocks over a huge container of water after he walks away and breaks down in tears. While this could be -- and was -- read as her being upset that the deaths didn't stop the spread of the virus, it could be that she was just frustrated over having to cover for Lizzie and the fact that those girls would take the lessons she was teaching them and translate them into murder.
It's open for debate whether the the killings were the right move for the people in the prison. After all, the spread of the virus wiped out a massive percentage of their population, and preemptively stopping it from infecting others would have saved a lot more lives than it cost. Carol was teaching Lizzie and the other children that sort of logic in the early episodes, and it would make sense that Lizzie would take the lesson of being strong (remember when she couldn't kill her own father after he turned into a zombie?) and translate it into this. It's worth noting that the deaths of Karen and David occurred after Lizzie failed to impress Carol with this kill.
The one flaw in the theory is that it doesn't make sense that Lizzie would know about the virus and thus feel the need to kill Karen and David. The timelines just don't add up like they did for Carol. However, Lizzie does start feeling sick after the Karen and David die, while Carol remains uninfected, so that could serve as more evidence. As Mika tells Carol about Lizzie's tendency to think of walkers as pets, "She's messed up; she's not weak."
If the Lizzie theory proves true, it would be an interesting fold to this storyline. It would be nice to have Carol be someone who hasn't actually changed from the character fans have come to know in the past few seasons.
It would also make Tyreese's storyline a heck of a lot more interesting in Season 4b if, while he's on the run with Lizzie, Mika and the rest of the kids, he finds out that Lizzie was actually the one who killed his girlfriend. He might have murdered Carol if he found out that she was behind the deaths, but would he respond in the same way to a kid?
It also would add fuel to the speculation that Lizzie was the one feeding rats to the walkers and dissecting the rodents. Maybe she really is the psychopath living in their midst. Welcome to daycare in the post-zombie apocalypse world.
While this is all speculation, one thing is for certain: Carol is coming back before the end of the season. Consider us intrigued for how the story arc plays out.
"The Walking Dead" Season 4 returns from its midseason break in February on AMC.
Do you think that this theory has any credibility?